Msg#: 23946 posted 2:53 pm on May 14, 2004 (gmt 0)
Duing post Florida and now again I hear some advocating the employment of a gibberish filter to use when checking the SERPs on G. The filter is: -dgdfsg -dgdfsg -dgdfsg -dgdfsg -dgdfsg -dgdfsg -dgdfsg
It definitely skews the results, but I have not been able to discern what it is actually filtering out. I have heard mention it filters out the value of link popularity or PR, and indicates how one's site would rank if link pop were equal to the other sites.
Msg#: 23946 posted 3:38 pm on May 14, 2004 (gmt 0)
If you use the gimberish filter you will notice that it removes the filter that Google is using. The number of results actually goes up rather than down. It believe that what is currently happening is Google applies its filter to common or popular terms where there are enough sites to deem some of them as authority sites. However, by using the gimberish stuff you trick google into believing that you are making a very niche search and it does not apply the filter as a result. I also believe the current filter uses Hilltop and local rank. Possibly Google does this because it is an excellent way to remove spammers. Of course it has the nasty effect of removing smaller mom and pop type sites as well. Sort of like throwing the baby out with the dish water. The way to get around this problem is to get many links preferably from many different IP sites. As well, I noticed that you can make you site look like an authority by developing good linking out patterns.
These are all just theories that seem to explain the situation and have worked for me. What Google is really doing only Google truly knows.
Msg#: 23946 posted 4:21 pm on May 14, 2004 (gmt 0)
Thank you Allan,
If you use the gimberish filter you will notice that it removes the filter that Google is using.
yes absolutely agree
The number of results actually goes up rather than down.
What i am seeing is: when aplying the gibberish the total number of retuned pages declines.
It believe that what is currently happening is Google applies its filter to common or popular terms where there are enough sites to deem some of them as authority sites
This is exactly what I have been thinking.
It would seem to follow then that if a site moves up when employing the gibberish it indicates its linking needs to be worked on, while if it were to move down or be unincluded its on page factors would need improvement. Do you feel this supposition is correct?
Msg#: 23946 posted 8:10 pm on May 14, 2004 (gmt 0)
'What exactly do you define as "small mom and pop sites"? '
I am referring to small sites with good content but few links and small or no marketing budget.
Robert123 wrote: "is this really a filter? Or rather that using this technique draws upon an algo that has differnt factors? The results in my field seem to be much better before applying the trick "
It is a filter because what I see is something is being applied afterward which removes sites from the serps. This could be done be adding the additional factor of local rank to the equation which would remove many sites. I see better results when I use the gimberish trick, but I am looking at very commercial terms.
Msg#: 23946 posted 8:18 pm on May 14, 2004 (gmt 0)
I don't think it's a filter - just the results delivered by an auxillary Hilltop/Semantic hybrid algorithm. This algo could be placed in front of the standard search algorithm and be applied to any searches that meet the necessary requirements. For Hilltop this would be the presence of obvious authority sites in the same keyword market - for Semantic it could be the existence of several semantic keyword matches in Google's index.
When you add the multiple exclusions it's possible that the search no longer meets the requirements necessary for some part of the aux algorithm and so it reverts to the standard search algo.