Brett_Tabke
msg:109366 | 10:51 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
We believe you did that before Google fixed the problem as a result of the previous thread. I did notify Google...
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feelfree
msg:109367 | 11:09 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
I requested to remove them a week ago. But they removed today. If you are right there ise no problem. But i really dont want to experience such thing again. thanks
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Dubhglais
msg:109368 | 11:15 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
er... "Be sure that i dint hack any system. Just removed index.html pages. I also removed some more websites. It works." why did you remove more websites?
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feelfree
msg:109369 | 11:30 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
nobody believed us. We suffered for 3 days. i just want to learn how it happened. i needed proof. please dont blame me.
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Dubhglais
msg:109370 | 11:43 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Feelfree I'm in the same industry as you and my site has gone awol.... were we one of the example websites removed? check my profile. If so I'll back you up on this. We all need this fixed.
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caveman
msg:109371 | 11:43 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Maybe this is why everyone keeps finding their homepages missing...and here I thought the 'missing homepage effect' was an algo thingy. Remarkable.
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webnewton
msg:109372 | 12:01 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
You really are feelfree. I hope Google will wake up to this.
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ciml
msg:109373 | 12:05 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
caveman, it's important not to get carried away here. Most of the 'missing homepage' problems I've been shown have been due to Florida-style penalties. That is an algo thing, and in those cases the pages are in Google, but ranked much lower than before. What feelfree describes is different, there was a Google bug. I won't go on yet again about search engines infering more than they should according to HTTP, but that was the root of the problem.
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mfishy
msg:109374 | 12:09 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
wow, www.microsoft.com & www.adobe.com = PR0 and not showing in SERPS under domain name search. What a royal screw up!
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globay
msg:109375 | 12:14 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
yeah, www.adobe.com as well that is incredible <added> mfishy added this url faster than I posted </added>
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kaled
msg:109376 | 12:25 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
I've wondered for a long time whether this could be exploited. Surely, all that is required is for
a) Google to email back stating that the page will scanned within 48 hours.
b) Explain that the page must either contain a NOINDEX robots meta or be excluded in the robots.txt file. There is no secure way to verify the source of an email so this is the only safe procedure by which urls/pages can be removed on demand. Kaled.
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caveman
msg:109377 | 12:27 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
ciml, actually, my first comment was offered more in jest...but I forgot to add the ";-)". Gets me in trouble every time. We had a couple of 'missing homepage' problems for a short time. And I'm quite sure that 99.9% of the reports about missing homepages were indeed algo related, as ours was (OOP, redirect bugs, etc.). I stand by my second comment, however. What happened here is truly remarkable: That someone could come along and blow up the homepages of those two cornerstone sites with next to no effort. Whoa. Like knocking down a mountain with a peashooter. The Web is still a lot like the Wild, Wild, West AFAIK. ;-)
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contentsiteguy
msg:109378 | 12:45 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Ha! Maybe MSN/Ink will now see how it feels to have your site missing in a major search engine through no fault of your own. I wonder if yahoo is paying attention and if they are missing too?
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mars9820
msg:109379 | 12:48 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
sometimes reading WW makes you smile :). this is such a moment. :) I suggested in the previous thread we were running that google would introduce a kind of handshake model where they will let you download a small text file and you have to upload that in the root of your domain just to let google verify that you really ARE the webmaster. However 1 thing about this "trick/joke". Only the index.html (startpage) has no PR. The rest of the domain still has PR. No idea if that will change with the next PR update but who knows :) I also liked the google search by the way : Sorry, no information is available for the URL microsoft.com Find web pages that contain the term "microsoft.com"
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DaveAtIFG
msg:109380 | 12:50 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
I'm confident Yahoo will be missing soon! :) [edited by: DaveAtIFG at 12:52 pm (utc) on May 13, 2004]
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shaadi
msg:109381 | 12:57 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
And I was curious abt this: [webmasterworld.com...] Now I know why... Thanks.
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Macro
msg:109382 | 12:58 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Shame it doesn't work anymore. There are a lot of spammy sites I'd like to get removed.
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zulufox
msg:109383 | 1:02 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
It would of been better to remove google.com... irony...the search engine cannot find itself...
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Freedom
msg:109384 | 1:08 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
feelfree, excellent work. You were doubted and then came back with concrete, undeniable and embarassing truth. I'd be surprised if this doesn't make headlines among the industry news. What time is it in California? 0710? Still a few more hours to go before they walk into the office and hear about this one. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the Googleplex today.
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royalelephant
msg:109385 | 1:10 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
I would have thought that places like Google had some staff guy whose job was to click around the site and try to "break" things. If so, they would have seen this one coming.
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ciml
msg:109386 | 1:11 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
kaled, Google do check the page but you can also have 404 (not found) URLs removed using the tool. In itself, this should not be a problem. 404s are removed anyway, so the removal tool just hastens the process. The problem is because Google merge "/index.html" with "/". www.microsoft.com serves content for default.asp but not /index.html, and www.adobe.com serves content for neither, which is why the removal in the first post of this thread worked. If the problem wasn't fixed already I'd be uploading index.htm and index.html :-) The first mention of this merging I can find is here [webmasterworld.com], but it's older than that. Sorry caveman, I didn't spot the 'in jest' aspect, but it's worth covering here as I can imagine some people thinking they're a victim of this when they're not.
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Brett_Tabke
msg:109387 | 1:11 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
>undeniable Oh sure it is. This is not the first time ms and adobe have gone missing from the index. anyone remember the other threads on that subject?
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mars9820
msg:109388 | 1:12 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Anyway as Feelfree mentioned he also requested SEVERAL other domains. Lets see....uhmmm.. www.sco.com PR0 :)
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feelfree
msg:109389 | 1:31 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Thank you Freedom. It was really very bad 3 days and nights.
I dont want it happen to anyone else. Someone sticky me and asked what i did exactly to remove them. Why should i answer, will he remove some of his competitors. maybe... I could have removed too many websites with this way, but i know that, if there wont be any solution, it will return back again to me. Thats why, i want solution. Thanks
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Macro
msg:109390 | 1:37 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Microsoft and Adobe have their PR back!
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volatilegx
msg:109391 | 1:40 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
| If the problem wasn't fixed already I'd be uploading index.htm and index.html :-) |
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I've done that on several sites for quite some time :)
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IITian
msg:109392 | 1:40 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Yes they are back. Just after I finished taking the screenshot of result of "www.microsoft.com" missing search, it seem to be back.
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Chndru
msg:109393 | 1:43 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
ahh.. these guys are quick. could have been a massive PR to WebmasterWorld. Haven't seen it anywhere.
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Dubhglais
msg:109394 | 1:45 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
maybe some of us lesser mortals will get our listing and PR back soon...
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