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Yahoo Ranking New Sites Faster Than Google
Google puts on brakes, Yahoo takes the lead
Beachboy




msg:212862
 4:36 am on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Have 2 sites that went live with inbound links to each six weeks ago. They are now well ranked on Yahoo, but have no ranking at all on Google even though both are in the index and both show significant PR.

Hard to believe Yahoo is beginning to outperform Google.

What has been your experience?

 

shahid




msg:212863
 1:06 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes you are right. I had the same experience with two of my new sites.Yahoo is not using some sandbox.

renee




msg:212864
 1:10 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

i'm definitely seeing significant traffic from yahoo. looks like yahoo is adding pages from my sites everyday. and they rank very well in yahoo!

my traffic from yahoo, msn and ask jeeves now exceed my google traffic. thank goodness! who needs google!

Allergic




msg:212865
 3:48 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Try a search with "keywords1 keywords2 -fsafsf -adgfd -dsagdg -fsdfdfd -sfaf -fsaf -gfjhd -dgsdgg"
You have to reach the 10 words query limit with negative string after your keywords.

For all the new site for me it is working and it is bypassing the sandbox filter.

georgiek50




msg:212866
 3:54 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have been happy with Yahoo lately as well. They definetely send less traffic then Google but they are indexing deeper pages and ranking them well.

Very very nice indeed :)

frances




msg:212867
 4:09 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've had the opposite. Google picks up sites immediately. Yahoo is so slow.

Grogger




msg:212868
 4:10 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Allergic,

Can you explain to me the effect of:

keywords1 keywords2 -fsafsf -adgfd -dsagdg -fsdfdfd -sfaf -fsaf -gfjhd -dgsdgg

Thanks

4crests




msg:212869
 4:31 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Opposite here also. Google is picking up my new pages faster than Yahoo.

yowza




msg:212870
 5:03 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I recently created a new site with no inbound links. I do not intend to get any links until I am finished with development. So far, after 2 weeks, Google has the index page (with no title or description) MSN has 2 pages, and Yahoo has 16 pages (although Yahoo has spidered over 200 pages).

Yahoo is definitely more active from what I have seen, not only with the above site.

shahid




msg:212871
 6:13 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

For new pages to old sites google is fast. But for new sites yahoo is fast.

EliteWeb




msg:212872
 6:14 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo's picken up sites pretty quick compared to the big G' ;)

Beachboy




msg:212873
 6:17 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Attention Google: Fresh is good. Remember?

IITian




msg:212874
 6:33 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Two days ago a added a few pages and within a couple of hours gbot paid a visit and I am already getting hits. This pace is really scary. Sometimes I think that it is lurking behind my server and watching like a hawk any changes to my web site.

Delays concerning new sites might be deliberate in order to slow down the spam generation through newly created disposable domains. It will be interesting to see how Yahoo will behave once it starts getting the level of spam that Google gets now.

BReflection




msg:212875
 6:52 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

i dont optimize at all, just wanted to point out that this month ive gotten 41 inbounds from google and 49 from yahoo, even though yahoo has only taken 1mb of bandwidth and google 6mb, and that my inbound keywords from yahoo are much more highly competetive and also accurate.

very interesting.

cwdedes




msg:212876
 7:39 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had a site go live and within 5 days ranked #3 for a very competitive keyword on Yahoo, its nowhere to be found on google.

hamster77




msg:212877
 11:49 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google's still very much faster in picking up new sites for me, but there's not much point to it since they've all got sandboxed.

Yahoo's taken a couple of months to get the new sites into the index properly, but once in there they've quickly started to rank well. (I'm still waiting for MSN to notice anything new for me since the beginning of this year!)

The star performer for me recently has been Ask. New sites have been indexed in a couple of weeks and are ranking really well. Haven't got PFI - just picking them up from inbound links. Plenty of decent traffic from Ask at the moment as well.

manzan




msg:212878
 12:31 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I submitted a new site (which had already inbound links from few sites) to both google and yahoo at the same time. Google came first but it has been two months since I submitted the site and it has not done a deep crawl. Yahoo crawled a month later but it has been regularly deep crawling and indexing my site and some of the keywords have been ranked well. I am not sure why google is not deep crawling. Does it have criteria like what sites to deep crawl? If so, I wonder what that is based on!

Beachboy




msg:212879
 12:37 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe it would be very much to Yahoo's advantage to announce they are indexing new sites faster than Google. This would be a serious competitive advantage in the eyes of the web surfer.

georgiek50




msg:212880
 1:11 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think that all of this is great. From news reports that I have been reading, both Yahoo and MSN are going to be raising the bar. I really hope we get Google traffic x 3 and keep the competition up for all three so they work to our benefit!

Allergic




msg:212881
 1:21 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Grogger: Seem to me the query of "keywords" + negative "improbalble-string" who reach the 10 words limit query in google is bypassing the filter.

Seem to me : All the index of Google is in RAM. If you put a query of 1 to 4 keywords, the algo have to look all the pages in the index who have thoses words. But if you add more negative string to reach the 10 words query limit, that a lot more of computation! The algo switch to "normal" results"

Stefan




msg:212882
 1:27 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Y might be picking up new sites faster than Google, but they sure don't add new pages, or changes, to established sites as fast as Google.

Even though as a user I b*tch about directory spam in G, as a webmaster, adding new pages regularly, I find it vey impressive how fast G picks the new stuff up and then sticks it in the proper place, at the top of the serps. At present, our PR6 homepage site has its new pages permanently indexed in 2-3 days. Y takes weeks, at best.

newsphinx




msg:212883
 3:49 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

To me, Yahoo is never faster than Google in getting new sites and new pages indexed.

AjiNIMC




msg:212884
 10:46 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I can be the president if the issue is "Google or Yahoo faster in indexing new site", I support Google, google is much much faster than yahoo and there is no doubt about it.

Lets hae a insight in What happens?, you put your link on site A , if by some chances Yahoo visits site A earlier than Google(which is a rare possiblity) then it will come to your site and will index it faster. All my new sites , new pages gets indexed in three to four days on an average.

Technolgy work in a single way but human in multiple ways, so its upto you how you get Google or Yahoo to your sites faster.

Aji

makemetop




msg:212885
 11:21 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

A bit off topic - but SiteMatch inclusion is also getting seriously fast!

Pages submitted 16.30 GMT Wednesday, Review at 00.50 GMT Thursday - first SE referral 08.09 GMT Thursday. Less than 8 hours (my previous fastest was 12 hours) from review to first enquiry and it was probably faster than that for pages to be in the results.

AjiNIMC




msg:212886
 11:38 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

most of my pages get indexed within a day by google depends whether I have placed a strategic link to that page or not.

Sathish




msg:212887
 12:12 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes! offcource Google is faster than Yahoo in indexing the page. But comparing - which one shows your site in SERP earlier - I would say Yahoo. Y! is incredibly fast.

For the 1st time after becoming a webmaster I am seeing my new sites getting traffic just from yahoo and not a single one from google.

Y! - 2Fast 2Furious ;)

mfishy




msg:212888
 12:25 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google is faster than Yahoo in indexing the page. But comparing - which one shows your site in SERP earlier - I would say Yahoo. Y! is incredibly fast.

Yup.

Yahoo is amazingly fast at ranking new sites. Conversely, Google seems headed in the other direction. Not sure which leads to better SERPS, but the former is certainly better for webbmasters!

johannamck




msg:212889
 1:01 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I second that observation.

I couldn't believe I was getting e-mails about a site I uploaded around 14 days ago. I was checking almost daily in Google and no page had been included in the index yet.

Turns out it had been included in Yahoo and ranking well. I couldn't believe my eyes, I thought Yahoo would take months!

A couple other sites that have been waiting for a month are neither in Google nor Yahoo. So, there is no consistent pattern.

Dayo_UK




msg:212890
 1:08 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

For the people who are experiencing really quick indexing and listing in Yahoo what level of inbound links have people got for these new sites.

And what is the crawl to index turnaround.

I had one site that had 2,000 pages crawled about 7 days ago but only 70-80 pages have made the index so far.

I also have sites with reasonable backlinks that I would expect Slurp to be visiting by now (Especially in light of the comments in this thread)

All the best

Dayo

samba




msg:212891
 1:30 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Then....

what do I have to do if my web keyword1-keyword2.com appers nš 1 in the search keyword1 keyword2 -fsdsds -cxcx -.... but does not appear in the keyword1 keyword 2 search?

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