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Only homepage removed from google
mydomain.com/ has PR0, mydomain.com (without slash) has PR6
feelfree

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 4:35 pm on May 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello,

I guess i get penalty. Actually i didnt do any spam or any different thing for more than 6 months.

now mydomain.com removed and doesnt seen on SERPs. but other pages of my site still indexed and still seen on SERPs.

and mydomain.com/ has PR0, mydomain.com (without slash) still has PR6

Anyone see this before? when will it get indexed again.
Is there anyway to ask to any google department why am i dropped?

Thanks

 

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 7:39 pm on May 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

till .......

zaneta

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 2:47 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

any news?
did you get reply from Google?

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 3:44 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

not yet :o(((

Trodda

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 7:40 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Both [xyz-domain.com...] and [xyz-domain.com...] are missing in our case. All sub-pages show up fine. Haven't received any removed URL notices though. Which address were these notices sent to? Looks suspiciously like Florida symptoms to me.

zaneta

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 7:53 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

what do you mean?

feelfree

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 8:00 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Trodda,

it sends to webmaster@yourdomain.com

And i got answer from google. it says

"Thank you for your note. The site that was removed is a dead link. We do
not add dead links to our search results. "

and blah blah.

it means that. if a website doesnt have index.html
you can remove it's homepage as well. what will do php or asp users.

Tuna

zaneta

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 8:07 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

please clarify
we have lost our first page which was
www.mydomain.com/default.asp
and we had configured also iis properly
please tell if this could be the problem ( that we used default.asp and not index.asp or index.html)

feelfree

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 8:14 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi zaneta,

it is easy

if you dont have index.html you will lose your homepage. what ever it is. default.asp or default.php or index.php

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 8:27 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tuna,

Mine was index.html and it has been removed but the message coming from google contains "www.mydomain.net/index.htm NOINDEX" and i didn't have index.htm in my root..
i don't know it is a clue or not ...

Adnan

zaneta

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 8:37 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

What looks strange to me is that google always sends messages about the removal of pages that... dont exist.

We had only default.asp as the default page, and the message that came was about the removal of
www.example.com/index.htm NOINDEX
and
www.example.com/index.html NOINDEX

Same situation happened to Adnan who only had index.html ang google was talking about the removal of index.htm

[edited by: DaveAtIFG at 11:16 pm (utc) on May 5, 2004]
[edit reason] No specifics please! [/edit]

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 8:48 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

lol.. it is a reason for google to kick us out :o))
just kidding...... but i am afraid that google could be the actor of this sketch.. i hope i am wrong but this is not fair to be removed if we don't have one of "default or index or home" .php .asp .html .htm .jsp

it looks like a kind of penalty but still don't know the reason...

Trodda

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 9:40 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Zaneta, Google Florida Update in November saw missing homepages galore.

[webmasterworld.com...]

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 10:21 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok, penalty is acceptable for this disaster.. but "reason"? was it to push us to put ad-words at google? (like before xmas)
does google need to play against Yahoo? and why? google is still #1 and they will make us runaway from google...
andddd next update, sub-pages will go down cause googlebot will not come index page and will not continue to subpages...

why some sites still exist? did google close its eyes and choose us?

come onnnn GoogleGuy, waiting for you to give us some clue

zaneta

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 10:33 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

what is the procedure from google do they reply to e-mail requests?

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 10:38 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

in 2 or 3 days

zaneta

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 10:48 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

what did you uderstand from the discusions for the problem of Google in November?

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 12:03 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

i had totally 72 googlebot visits till now but i didn't check it when my index page droped yesterday morning.. i was looking up my logs and i have seen googlebot for main page and subpages that means googlebot is still coming for main page.. maybe google could allow bot to visit us ..! (hope)

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 12:05 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

<added>
as you know googlebot is not coming if the web-site has been penalized
</added>

Brett_Tabke

WebmasterWorld Administrator brett_tabke us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 1:46 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

couple things:

Very intersting topic. I have studied this issue for an hour and don't know what to make of it just yet. Google has been notified of it.

Please, no specifics in thread and certainly NO personal information of other posters.

Thanks

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 1:55 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

hi Brett_Tabke,

it is nice to know an admin is takin care of this topic...
have you heard this problem before from any other country? cause mostly Istanbul, Turkey & Greece sites affected (at least till now we knew that).. is it possible to be regional? or have to wait for an announcement from google..

rocco

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 2:01 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

indeed very odd, from one domain that was posted in this thread google acts like this:

[domain.com...] - PR 5 - page exists
[domain.com...] - PR 0 - page exists
[domain.com...] - PR 5 - page does not exists
[domain.com...] - PR 5 - page does not exists
[domain.com...] - PR 0 - page exists
[domain.com...] - PR 4 - page exists

that's messed up!

senkron

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 2:13 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

You're right rocco, for me it's the same!
[domain.com...] is PR6 - page doesn't exist

How comes a page which doesn't exist and never existed might have a PR6?

senkron

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 2:20 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

I also want to add one more thing:
link:http://www.domain.com/index.html is >0
Other observations:
link:http://www.domain.com/ is =0
link:http://www.domain.com is >0

Still no clue why this is happening.

[edited by: senkron at 2:44 pm (utc) on May 5, 2004]

mars9820

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 2:30 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

As probably is the case in all the above examples is that someone (probably your competition) faked an email address as webmaster@yoursite.com and requested google to remove certain URL's from their index.

Even when the competition is only successfull for a couple days until you sort it out. This can be a very costly and painful situation for some of the members overhere.

This problem can be solved by google very simple by creating a so-called "handshake" with the removal requests.

Immediately the following came in mind:

1. Webmaster wants to remove URL's
2. Webmaster goes to google homepage.
3. Webmaster is forced by google to create an ID.
4. Google provides a small text file (google_remove.txt)
5. Webmaster uploads the small text file in the root of the domain.
6. Webmaster ask to remove the URL
7. Google checks the existance of the text file.
8a. If the text file is found. URL's will be removed and notification by email.
8b. If the text file is NOT found. No action and ditch the request.

Maybe we can suggest this to GG to help us save ourself from this torture in the future.

pageoneresults

WebmasterWorld Senior Member pageoneresults us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 3:07 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google views the quality of its search results as an extremely important priority. Therefore, Google stops indexing the pages on your site only at the request of the webmaster who is responsible for those pages or as required by law. This policy is necessary to ensure that pages are not inappropriately removed from our index.

I'm a little confused with all of this. I've used the Google Remove URI feature before and it requires specific action by those responsible for managing the site. In my case, I had to add Disallow: lines to my robots.txt file.

In reference to the index.html issues, that page should be returning a 404 if it does not exist in your root. Have you guys/gals checked to see if your server headers are returning the proper status codes for invalid pages?

Some competitors can be very techincally savvy. If they find anything wrong with your server configuration, they can easily wreak havoc on your campaign.

P.S. Google also has a verification process for removing URIs...

Remove your URL or Google Groups Post [services.google.com]

This process requires email verification and password. Here is an example of the email that is received once you request removal of a URI...

Greetings from Google!

This email was automatically generated when your account was created. Visit the following link to activate your account:

You must activate your account within 24 hours or it will be removed.

If you did not request this account, or do not wish to proceed with the removal of a URL, please ignore this message.

Regards,
The Google Team

So many things to think about in this scenario...

  • Is there someone within your organization (past or present) who has access to your email accounts and can set up an address for this specific purpose?
  • Is it possible to hijack email DNS to perform this dirty deed?
  • Has someone found a vulnerability in the system as Brett has stated in the home page description for this topic?

[edited by: pageoneresults at 3:18 pm (utc) on May 5, 2004]

samuel_ado

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 3:16 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

i get lost 3 web-site and only 1 has 404, other 2 sites didn't have 404..
there was not robots.txt no meta tags for noindex,nofollow..
so?

HitProf

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 3:39 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just a few thoughts:

- how many sites and emails are we talking about? Many pages are missing these days, especcially from new sites. Not nessecarily related. to those emails.

- PR's in toolbars are not accurate. They are not up to date and can actually be 'made up' (derived from other pages).

- could it be a rogue bot trying to remove dead links and deleting a few too many? The emails are still strange though.

- did everybody check the IP-addresses of their recieved emails?

birdy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 3:40 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Some competitors can be very techincally savvy. If they find anything wrong with your server configuration, they can easily wreak havoc on your campaign.

P.S. Google also has a verification process for removing URIs...

What I understand here is;
There would be 2 options

i)Someone realy made a good trick to google and eliminated their process. If that has happend all webmasters who lost their site one by one has made request to Google but no one heard anything back officially!

ii)Google has changed or applied new algo/filter but still no announcemend made by!

IMHO something is going on and Google will put last dot on this subject and I am looking forward to hear that asap.

feelfree

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 3:41 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

pageoneresults,

I think you must check all thread again.

why you people dont want to believe us.

You said:

So many things to think about in this scenario...

Is there someone within your organization (past or present) who has access to your email accounts and can set up an address for this specific purpose?

Is it possible to hijack email DNS to perform this dirty deed?

How are these can be possible? we are here more than 5 webmasters, we have more than 100 websites, in different servers, we are working all different companies.
How can somebody hack our system in 2 days. can you believe this. is this guy worked with all of us in different times. and he got all information (even he went and worked in greece and turkey and egypt) how possible is this?

why you people never thing that even google can made mistake or google can be hacked.

we are all suffering here and noone (from google or someone can talk with them) didnt take attention to our problem. do we have to subscribe to supporters forum. yes maybe.

if google penalty us why do they send us email that they removed our urls. and why do they say we removed dead link, when we ask why they removed us. but be sure that our websites dont dead. they are working. only we dont have index.hmtl or index.htm

i sent their email before it really seems like their email. and also they replied my question. but they just replied me never checked what did they removed.

anyway i think we cant get help here.

i hope google index me again quickly.

regards

HitProf

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 3:46 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Another possibility I forgot:

Did you check your server for virusses? Could be a virus modifying your homepage and sending remove-url request. Check your head sections as well.

This would fit Google's procudure for removing pages.

claus

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 23739 posted 3:47 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

sorry if i have misunderstood something (*), it seems like a "Redirect bug", just like this thread: [webmasterworld.com...] and the rest i've listed here [webmasterworld.com] (#8)

I think it might be caused by people linking to you without the slash, or perhaps another redirect of some kind.

(*) I'm sorry to admit i haven't read the whole thread but i will, eventually. It's just one of those days, and i haven't had the time yet. If i'm totally wrong (as i very well might be), please bear with me.

[edited by: claus at 3:53 pm (utc) on May 5, 2004]

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