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1 Link from PR8 Page or 100 Links from PR4 Pages
Which is best?
HIPO




msg:206987
 10:31 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is it better to have 1 link from a PR8 site [the only external link on that page] or 100 links for PR4/5?

 

robotsdobetter




msg:206988
 12:35 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's better to have 100 PR 4/5 links to your site because you will not only get more traffic, but it will help your ranking better.

PR is not every thing, it's only part of it.

frances




msg:206989
 1:09 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Also, the text in the 100 links can get you to number 1 for your keywords. One high ranking link couldnt do that.

AmericanBulldog




msg:206990
 1:11 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I PR8 link and 99 pR4 links

trillianjedi




msg:206991
 1:25 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

The general answer is lots of links beats one chunky one.

That said, a PR8 link is pretty serious, and will definitely do you no harm. Especially as far as deep indexing of your site is concerned.

TJ

djgreg




msg:206992
 3:10 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think it depends on what you want to achieve.
One PR8 link will give you a PR7. That is a very good position to search for link partners yourself. The advantage is, that you can choose only quality sites to "trade" with.

100 PR4/5 links will give your site Pr4 but will boost your rankings, given that you've choosen the linktext carefully.

greg

bhartzer




msg:206993
 3:42 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

If all those PR4/5 links are on the same site, then I would rather have the one PR8 link.

beakertrail




msg:206994
 4:05 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Unfortunately it is not that easy to say because of the very complicated way PageRank works.
Basically, it is better to have a link from a High PR page with less links.

So if you are the only link on a PR4 page, that is much better than to be 1 of 250 links on a PR8 page.

See [iprcom.com...] for the full, mathematical explanation of how PageRank works.

Beaker

DaveN




msg:206995
 4:09 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

1 link from pr8 site
or
20000 blogg links

DaveN

patoruzu




msg:206996
 4:17 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you depend on a single link, you could lose your PR from a day to another. 100 links are much more stable.

John_Caius




msg:206997
 4:18 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

This same question was asked and comprehensively answered just seven days ago:

[webmasterworld.com...]

I thought this was a pre-moderated forum...

steveb




msg:206998
 10:59 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

This in general has been beaten to death, but in specific there is no comparison. One (normal) PR8 link is much much better than 1000 PR4 links. Easily. One PR8 can make you PR7, which will allow you to generate several thousand PR4+ pages. (So from an anchor text perspective the PR8 is way better).

If on the other hand you are talking about the absolute 100 best PR4 traffic links for your niche, then take those.

Bottom line it's a nonsense question. Take both. Take either.

photonstudios




msg:206999
 11:04 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

One PR8 link will give you a PR7.

No, it will not. Do you have any facts to support that? I have a link from a PR 7 site yet my site PR is 5..

steveb




msg:207000
 11:21 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Please. "Is it better to have 1 link from a PR8 site [the only external link on that page]". There may be some exception but it is pointless talking about things that happen once in 10,000+ times. The question relates to normal/common/usual.

robotsdobetter




msg:207001
 12:05 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

It would depend on how many links that are on the page it self, if it has lots of links on it likely won't pass much, but if it don't have many links on it, than it will pass much more.

100S links is way better then any one PR8, what if that site gets in trouble with Google and it drops, so will you if you depend on it.

The number one rule in link trading is not to depend on no single site.

rfung




msg:207002
 5:20 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok,I came here to post a similar question:

which is better: 1 pr8 link vs 1500 pr3-pr7 links, all from the same site? this is basically an advertising package, $100/month for 1 pr8 on their main page, or $250/month for 1500 links of diverse pr on the same site?

any suggestions or advice appreciated.

webnewton




msg:207003
 9:57 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

1 pr 8 link is definately better than 100 pr 4/5links.
but

if you get 100 pr 6/7 links than forget about 1 pr 8 link.(here it's also important to see whether all these pages are regulary indexed by google or not)

Remember PR follows an logrithmic pattern.

vrtlw




msg:207004
 11:08 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

1 pr 8 link is definately better than 100 pr /5links. but if you get 100 pr 6/7 links than forget about 1 pr 8 link.(here it's also important to see whether all these pages are regulary indexed by google or not)

Remember PR follows an logrithmic pattern.

Not if they are from the same site though...

beakertrail




msg:207005
 11:18 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Remember PageRank is Page and not Site.

Links, for PageRank's sake, don't matter if they are all on 1 site or on multiple sites.

The page address does not figure in the PR algorithm - to the best of my understanding of the published algorithm.

Beaker

moricante




msg:207006
 2:14 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Generally it's better to do both:

1. The PR8 Link for Your PR-Strategy and as reccomendation from a "high rated site"
2. 100 PR4- or lower links with a well defined link text (not always the same; use synonyms and related terms) for your Link Popularity, which is quite important at the moment.

This strategy-mix would be very good: if your PR8 Link drops, there are the other Links remaining!

gopi




msg:207007
 8:55 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> Not if they are from the same site though

I will add not if they are from the same network of sites!

rfung




msg:207008
 9:14 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

so, in my case, 1 link from pr8, or 1000+ pr2-6 links from the same site, go for the pr8 single link?

steveb




msg:207009
 10:24 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

rfung, this is a no brainer.

The 1000 links all depend on the one PR8 link for *their* pagerank. If the PR8 link goes in the toilet for some reason, all the others will too. The PR8 link would be much better from every perspective. If you want more anchor text, make your own pages using the PR that you will now get from the PR8 link. It makes no sense at all to first filter the PR you could get from that domain through 1000 pages on that domain.

rfung




msg:207010
 10:38 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

well, its a matter of pricing, really.

the pr8 link costs $100/month
1000+ links from pr2-pr7 costs $250/month

it would seem that for the price, I'd rather have 1 link pr8 for $100 on cost alone, but if 1000's of links are worth more in terms of pr, then i might have sprang for the $250.

Come to think of it, is a pr8 for $100/month a fair price?

steveb




msg:207011
 10:44 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

First, don't buy a link or links for pagerank, ever.

Second, if you want to go down that road, $100 for a PR8 is a steal to the degree that I'd suspect links from that domain don't pass PR to anybody.

Third, if the PR from the 1000 pages is dependant of the PR of the single PR8 page, then by definition their combined PR strength is less than the single PR8 link.

rfung




msg:207012
 10:51 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

steveb,

why do you say never to buy links for pr? from the web's perspective, it makes no difference to the spider. Unless this is an ethical issue of some sorts.

This site is a directory style.

aspdesigner




msg:207013
 10:55 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)


1 link from a PR8 site [the only external link on that page]

HIPO, rfung, the key is the # of total unique links (internal or external) on that page, as to how much value you are actually getting from that PR8 link.

If the page has only a few links on it, and you're one of them, that's one thing.

But if that page also has a whole bunch of internal or nav links, then the benefit you are actually getting from that one link may be far less than what you were anticipating!

rfung




msg:207014
 11:06 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the heads up, Aspdesigner.

This is somewhat offtopic, but do internal linking counts towards this whole mess of a count?:) would it make sense for me to link every single page of my site to every other single page of my site?

is there an actual strategy here as far as cross linking pages in order to optimize page rank benefits?

aspdesigner




msg:207015
 11:40 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Your welcome, rfung.

>do internal linking counts...

Yes. The total outbound PR is divided-up among all of the unique links on the page, whether internal or external.

>would it make sense for me to link every single page
>of my site to every other single page of my site?

Depends on what you are trying to achieve. See next question.

>is there an actual strategy here as far as
>cross linking pages in order to optimize
>page rank benefits?

Most definately. You can use your link structure to move-around the total PageRank available to your site, concentrating PR to certain pages if desired.

For example, if you cross-link all of your pages as you suggested, the PageRank values of the individual pages will be spread-out more evenly.

However, you can instead create a "vertical" link structure with minimal cross-linking, but with every page having a link to your home page, which can result in an increase in PageRank to the homepage, and a decrease in the PageRank of the sub-pages compared to a cross-linked structure.

Basically, you are "shifting" PageRank from the sub-pages to your homepage.

You can also use the internal linking stucture of your site to concentrate PageRank on those pages you want to do well in the SERPs, or to minimize the PageRank of those pages containing a lot of outbound links.

rfung




msg:207016
 11:50 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks again aspdesigner:

this is related to a question I posted elsewhere in the forum - does it make a difference wether a particular page has 10 inbound links to it from an external site, or 10 inbound links from other internal pages? the obvious answer to me would be , yes of course it does, because anyone could create thousands of pages and just link them all to a single one, and presto the super mega pr10 page!... (uhm...)

how about I create 1000 micro sites of 1-2 pages each - and then point them all to the same site to get the destination site a big boost?

Granted, i'm playing with the concept, but im sure it illustrates some good questions.

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