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Pagerank & backlinks update April 2004

 10:07 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Could it be? Me thinks so.



 12:32 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

BallochBD, I would think your interior pages will get PR back naturally. I saw one that showed a backlink from your main page, which would make sense since you started to get crawled around the end of the month cutoff day. If I were you'd I continually change your pages slightly to attract the bot as much as you can, and also would ask those two sites to not link to /home.html


 1:06 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is it just me or has Google gone from one PR update to the next without a major 'update' (reshuffle) of the main index.

For the past month or so the number of pages, their position, their freshness and their traffic has fluctuated every couple of days. Yesterday I was showing 1134 pages for one site, today its 435, tommorrow (if the pattern holds) it will rise to somewhere between 600-700 and then back to 1100 or so before going round in another big circle next week.

Does anyone have any better stats that show the rolling updates?


 1:53 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

>I personally wish Google would quit using ODP. The description on one of my sites has been wrong for years and I can't get them to update it.

How wrong is wrong here? If you mean seriously wrong, as in the description says your site is about cat breeding when in fact you sell widgets, e-mailing the editors up the tree may work. And if not, try at ****. However, if the description is technically accurate, but one you just don't like, then likely you'll have to wait.


 3:28 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

The description on one of my sites has been wrong for years and I can't get them to update it.

I like dmoz, but there are times things like this can be frustrating. Usually RZ helps, but I've even had problems of late. Just be patient, and keep trying. If you know you are right, there are editors that will usually help you...eventually.

Got a couple I've been working on for three and four months. Sometimes I think I'd rather pay, and then I remember what that leads to.


 3:41 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

This won't last. So try it now.

go to dmoz site.
click on cached snap shot of page in g toolbar.
None wil be shown.
then search for
no cache no simillar and no backlink
search for
result will have a link to the cache.
Any explanations or comments?
and by the way pr is gray now.


 6:18 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

You're right, it didn't last long, I never even saw it. Dmoz is showing a clear cache here in the UK.

I had a lot of static pages go up in PageRank this time, but alot of dynamic pages go down in PageRank. Anyone else seeing this. I don't use mod_rewrite (I don't feel the need to) and there is no difference in backlinks to the dynamic pages.


 7:43 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't even bother with DMOZ anymore. It takes forever to get a new site listed and when it finally happens the description is so poorly written that no one clicks through to the site. The trickle of traffic that I get from them is so small that my time is better spent elsewhere.

I can get a true traffic-generating link elsewhere with as much or more PR value as one in most DMOZ categories within 30 minutes, so why bother?


 7:59 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

UNUSUAL: Google is displaying a backlink to me that the toolbar shows as a PR1.

Maybe that means that the "real" PR is ~4, but the lag on updating the toolbar PR hasn't caught up.


 8:09 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

The PR of a page has never been the sole factor in whether a backlink is displayed or not.

Quite regularly I will see PR3 pages listed as backlinks, while either my DMOZ or my Google directory (PR7) do not show up.

I have also had my backlink count jump up and down from a high of 1200 a little over a year ago, down to around 200 in september, back up to 2560 this month.

The number of backlinks has not had any relation whatsoever to the actual number of backlinks or my PR. I gain links slowly and once I have them, I rarely lose them.


 9:18 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good points, BigDave. I have PR3 links showing, but several PR5+ links do not. Google just likes to keep us guessing.

Serps and the traffic from links are what count anyways. I have PR4 sites with <50 backlinks beating out PR5 sites with >400 links. Besides, by the time the toolbar shows new info, the serps already reflect the changes.


 1:12 am on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I noticed a pr update. I have better pr in all the site, but my ranking is the same, why?
I have to wait? or the rankings are definitive untill the next dance?


 10:56 pm on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

My blog is now a PR 6



 12:46 am on Apr 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

My home page remained PR 5, however almost all of my internal pages increased to PR 4 for the first time ever. This is the update I've been waiting for! Now if I can just get my homepage to PR7 :)


 6:19 am on Apr 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

i also got PR increased from 4 to 5 is it a good sign or anything new is going on @ goggle.


Hardwood Guy

 12:21 pm on Apr 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Strange. Home Page remains a 5 but all the others that are linked from it fell from a 4PR to one. Traffic hasn't changed much. Cal you got my PR...hehe


 2:35 am on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site got its PR6 back, which it lost in the last PR update. Otherwise google traffic is actually down lately.


 12:30 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a newish site that came in with a bang at PR5 within days, justifiably so thanks to a couple of great links, and then went to grey bar for a few weeks before reappearing last week at PR5 again. Not withstanding that the market that I'm aiming at is almost non competitive because its not very profitable the site is nowhere to be seen even for the most obscure search terms. I dont recall this sequence of events in the recent past but a number of others seem to be experiencing the same thing. Has any one actually put up a new site that has done much better in the last few months and if not whats going on?


 2:51 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site, which is about four months old, got a PR7 for the homepage and most of the internal pages got a PR6. However, I'm still nowhere to be found on my key terms. I find this odd. Is this typical?


 8:52 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

jdh226, are those links on-topic?

Is this typical?

It appears to be typical now. PR isn't what it used to be.


 8:56 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just asked myself whether rankings are recalculated after the PR and the backlink update or not.
I ask because one of my sites got a link from a PR8 site, is now PR7 and has 2900 incoming links in google.
Although the rankings have fallen. I was on #3 before the update now I am on #8. But it varies, sometimes #5 ...

Anyone an idea on this?



 9:00 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a website that was doing well for approximately 6 months. The site had a pagerank of 5. Recently the site all of a sudden dropped to zero pagerank, but it’s still indexed in Google. The site does not show any backlinks even though there are plenty of 4's and 5's pointing to the site. The site is clean with no tactics that could be construed as out of line with Google’s policies.

After calling a friend of mine, he too indicated that he had 7 sites (All established – some over a year old with page ranks of 4-5-6) recently experience the same thing… all dropping to a pagerank of zero at around the same time and remaining there. Has anyone else experienced this same thing? Any comments or suggestions?


 9:05 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

All I know is that my rankings haven't changed much since about a month ago.


 4:12 am on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I also noticed this after the update:

[domain.com...] and

used to show different page ranks.

now they are the same

I think google is now counting a backlink to either of these as the same place, thus increasing the page ranks of alot of the larger pages.


 4:58 am on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think you might be onto something. I have an unused 1-page only parked-domain.com which has *no* real backlinks, and who's homepage is an exact replicate of a very average html page on another website of mine.

This nothing domain has been awarded a PR5 and G indicates a handful of backlinks all of which point to the page floating on my other website (from where the copy was sourced).

Not sure if this is old activity but it's the first time I've noticed it...


 7:13 am on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)


Yes. This happened to my site too. I don't know why. Just ideas at this point..


 8:31 am on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

just being another one slightly confused with google, recently..) may be you guys could help me here. what would cause google show the exact same url on different result pages? not just twice, but i've seen the same url on 3-5 result pages...


 5:33 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mixd, I have seen that phenomena years ago so it is nothing new. I have often seen pages that have essentially the same content being regarded as the same page even if they are on different URLs.


 12:38 am on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

online, I have seen the same thing this morning. Same URL listed on different pages of the SERPS, quite often the last on one page, first on the next (browsing back and fro through serps confirms it's not just a freak dance). Haven't seen this before...


 2:14 am on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

The same URL on multi pages was happening about 2 months ago also, Google has alzheimers maybe?

The same URL on multi pages was happening about 2 months ago also, Google has alzheimers maybe?

Did I already say that?


 12:46 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Spine,))hope not yet, but this might come.. soon...)

It doesn't happen necessarily with the last result on the page being first on the next one. Doesn't make much difference, as it still doesn't make any sense.(

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