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Pagerank & backlinks update April 2004

 10:07 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Could it be? Me thinks so.



 5:12 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am seeing different backlinks on www and www2

Anyone know which one is "new?"

[edit]It has changed back and they are now all the same.[/edit]


 7:46 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

It seems that link farms with heavy cross-linking has become a very successful technique for attaining high PR. The latest wave in spam?


 7:52 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Definitely seeing it here. My main site has gone from 22 to 104 backlinks. Superb stuff.


 8:26 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

My backlinks just updated a couple of days ago. I went from 5 to 15 external links. I was extremely happy that Google finally recognized my ODP listing both in dmoz and Google directory. My category has a PR7 and only 12 other sites listed.

Unfortunately, I went to my site and the PR of my homepage had dropped from 4 to 3! Now, with two PR7 links (35 links, internal and external on the pages), shouldn't I have at least a PR of 5? I also have quite a few PR4 and PR5 links.

What's even stranger is that my homepage now has a PR3 and all my other pages are PR4 even though ALL my inbound links are to my homepage. How can a homepage of PR3 pass a PR4 to all the rest of my site?

Can anyone help me to figure this out?



 8:41 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

This update of pr was a mixed blessing for me. One of my clients was ranked #1 for a long time. Then stopped using my services, they figured what was the point they couldn't do better than #1. I told them they should proactive and get links and build their site or their ranking would slip. I was right several month ago it fell to #30. They hired me to help and I went about getting links and building content. Well before I got re-involved their site was a pr4 and pr3 one level deep (what I call a pr4-3). After this update they jumped up to a pr5-5. However, there ranking hasn't shown any improvement. I am very disappoint that the efforts didn't get better results. I realize their competitors could have done the same, but it unlikely. So I am a little confused. I feel like I'm loosing my touch :(


 9:16 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can anyone who's site is NOT listed in ODP verify this PR change? I am just trying to find if only those sites which are listed in ODP were affected by this change.
I am waiting to get some PR.. it did not happen on March 19th.. it did not happen yesterday :(


 9:21 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

sdani, my site is not ODP, it is also pretty new (it went up about 4 weeks ago), and i started with PR4, so i am very happy with my first result.


 9:23 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Da main page and 1 internal show a right purty PR6 for the first time ever. Numerous 3's are now 4's, many 4's are now 5's and I presume the other 5's are a tad stronger now.

In the overall circle of life, it ain't much to anyone but me as it's an info site that was ranking well before the shot of green. All the same, I admit I've done some smiling today. A tip o' the hat cause I know well it comes from payin' attention round these halls.


 9:23 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

raptorix, was your site's PR updated in yesterday's update?


 9:57 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone considered that Google has rescaled visible PR on the toolbar such that all sites are getting a boost assuming the status quo is still the same as last month? Both my amateur sites, which cover a fairly esoteric topic area, have jumped in PR to 7 for the home pages, from PR6 before. I never thought this could ever be possible. Most notably, this happened without me trying. I haven't been seeking out link exchanges with other sites, or doing anything to manipulate PR.

The only difference I can see is there has been a significant number of unsolicted inbound links showing with the link: command in the latest update. And, I know there are many more than that. Most notably from commercial news sites which have included links to my sites in the online versions of news reports. A couple months ago ABC-TV (the major national US TV network) did a report on what is the topic of my sites. The producer even contacted me including her toll free phone number to ask me a number of questions. I in fact did call her. Lots of copycat news reports followed, including a number which included a link to my sites on the online version. PR of those reports is too low to show up with the link: command, but I assume Googlebot still counts them.

But c'mon. PR7? The home page of webmasterworld.com is PR7. Brett would likely barf at the thought Google has my sites in the same league as his. ;) Either something has changed at Google, or Google PR, like life, is not fair.


 10:23 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just noticed that my PR and the inbound links are back to the old ones again, it doesn't show the new inbound links anymore. Anyone else?


 10:37 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes sdani, it was updated yesterday or today, first noticed today, but can be that it was already updated yesterday.

By the way, i noticed that my backward links have be changed, earlier today there where about 10, and now only 2, very strange.


 10:44 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Either something has changed at Google, or Google PR, like life, is not fair.

Im not sure about the fairness aspect of PR, but I have serious doubts about the accuracy of Google PR as displayed by the toolbar. Maybe Google juiced the PR so everyone would feel good....


 11:05 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

After last Google update I received a PR5, I then started a Google Ad Words campaign.

This morning I went to work, all was well, still at PR 5. Came home and now have PR0.

I am not cheating with this site in anyway. In fact I have removed cross links on all of my sites because I believe they use Whois and penalize those that cross-link their own sites.

I have also noticed that with today's rerank that sites with adult content were punished.

Anyone else with adult content get hammered today?
Also, has anyone that used Google Ad Words lost their PR?



 11:44 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Has anyone considered that Google has rescaled visible PR on the toolbar such that all sites are getting a boost assuming the status quo is still the same as last month?

Based on the posts in these threads and what I am seeing in my sites, it seems quite possible to me. Almost all of the sites I monitor have moved up one point in page rank.

Page rank and backlinks seem to still be fluctuating from old to new information, seems like we might be having a new style google dance going on (different data centers showing old and new data).


 11:45 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

: Anyone else with adult content get hammered today?

I actually have receieved the most pr ever across the board on all my sites.


 11:54 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

PR7 and happy. I have several PR7 inbound links (3 are unsolicited) and one is paid (full sentence ad, not just a word :)...and not at the bottom) accross 5000+ pages. I actually get about 30 visits a day from that so the PR boost is a bonus.

will the serps jump follow or the increase is in already?


 11:59 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe they use Whois and penalize those that cross-link their own sites.

You're kidding right? lol...


 12:08 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

got an extra +1 PR :) and 100s of backlinks showing. Google made my day, and ruined my day (adsense).


 12:29 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I saw the PR update last night on our sites - one or two points on most sites, with a couple staying the same at 4.

For the last year or so Google has been steadily dropping backlinks from our main site for no obvious reason (PR on backlinks not changing or anything), but last night it suddenly threw about 150 of them back in. WhooHoo!

One other thing I noticed - I thought that Google didn't count backlinks from message board sigs etc? I noticed one of our local competitors has gone from PR2 to PR5 with the only backlinks showing in Google being from within his own site and from his sig on message boards. Has this changed again?


 12:30 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone considered that Google has rescaled visible PR on the toolbar such that all sites are getting a boost assuming the status quo is still the same as last month?

I actually think that the toolbar PR is rescaled each time that they update it. Depending on what the scale is based on, it just might have changed more than usual this time.

Something else to consider is the possibility that the scale has remained the same, but google has added a significant number of pages, which would have added more PR to the system. Additional PR would tend to "rise to the top", as well as give extra boost to the sorts of pages that would tend to be within a few links from lots of those low level pages. If google digs deeper into mailing list archives, my site will gain a significant numbe of PR0 and PR1 links.

Given the subject of your sites, I would tend to think that there are probably a lot of buried blog entries and mailing list discussion that might point to your site. (just a guess)

Then there is the possibility that certain sites in specific categories might have picked up some significant links, which could give a big boost to all the interlinked sites in that category.

For example, the National Institute of Health (PR9) has in their "news" section on their home page, links to a bunch of articles on Alzheimers. Several of those articles have links to organizations that deal with Alzheimers. With new links like that coming in to that portion of the web, it would be very easy for every site dealing with that topic to get kicked up at least one toolbar PR point.

You will tend to compare your PR to other sites that are probably very close to you on the webgraph. You all go up at the same time, so you assume that they just changed the scale.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. From where I sit, it does look like there was some rescaling.


 3:10 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

A somewhat academic question.

What we are seeing now is a toolbar update reflecting a real PR update from about 28 March (in my estimate). Clearly Google cannot have updated PR for all sites at the same time, the process must take some time.

If Site A links to Site B and Site A gets increased PR, I assume Site B will only get the benefit if Site A received its increased PR before Site B was processed.

Anybody know if this makes sense, or have I got it wrong?


 4:30 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

The traditional model of PR is that it is generated bases on a snapshot of the linking structure of the entire web. So all pages are calculated at once based on the most recent crawl data.

Some of the newer work has involved additional work on making adjustments (or accurate guesses) to the PR of portions of the web, but it really isn't worth worrying about.


 4:44 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think it has anything to do with ODP other than any credit it might give based on the pagerank of the page on ODP where you got listed. I personally wish Google would quit using ODP. The description on one of my sites has been wrong for years and I can't get them to update it.

My joy was shortlived, my page is already back to pr 6 from 7. What hurt me was when they somehow discounted older sites with older links a while back. At least that is what it seemed like.


 7:44 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Strange. Yesterday I saw my home page go from page rank 4 to 5. Then 15 minutes later it went back down to 4. Does anyone know why? I rebooted my computer and it was still a four. I know it was a page rank 5 because my other "new" pages got indexed with a page rank of 3 but now it's gone. Strange.


 7:57 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

For the last few updates, PR and Backlinks always change AFTER SERPs change.

If you really notice it, SERPs always change slighly (but a lot more than everflux) before PR and backlinks is updated.

I think the reason Google do this is to avoid yelling and screaming like before.


 8:01 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Anyone else with adult content get hammered today?

nope one site moved from a PR3 to PR5 so I'm happy, still need to do some tweaking to get the ranking a bit better


 8:04 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

we need the exact IP for the datacenter that has the changes, please post.


 9:45 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

As I said in message 45 in this thread the PR on my home page has returned to its previous level (5).

I have noted however that none of my other pages have any PR yet. Can anyone tell me if this will return naturally or can I do anything to help it?


 9:53 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think that this general boost of PR is real and normal; probably we will have a decrease in the next weeks / months due to a PR calculation scaling.


 12:32 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

BallochBD, I would think your interior pages will get PR back naturally. I saw one that showed a backlink from your main page, which would make sense since you started to get crawled around the end of the month cutoff day. If I were you'd I continually change your pages slightly to attract the bot as much as you can, and also would ask those two sites to not link to /home.html

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