| 1:55 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It is not the size of your pagerank, it is how you use it that counts.
| 3:52 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I might be worth while but you need to consider a couple of things.
- Will the 300 inbound links still exist in a month or two. When the webmasters that have linked to the site see that it has changed its content they may remove the link.
- Those 300 links could all have been reciprical, in which case they will removed it at some stage.
| 3:53 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Also, Google removes pagerank when domains change hands.
| 3:54 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
If you're looking at the same data I am, I wouldn't bid over one tenth of that price. Buy it if you like the name or think the residual visitors from dangling links are worth it, but not if you're looking for the PageRank boost.
The smart money has already noticed some expired domains dropping out of DMOZ, and there's other signs out there for people to notice. I'll see if I can accelerate that PR drop for a batch of PR7 domains, as a favor to keep you from getting a bad deal. :)
| 4:36 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Hmmm... GoogleGuy dropping someones pagerank as a favor?! Juicy! ;)
I think you should hold off on that GG, some 'expiring' domains are just lazy webmasters who pay at the last moment. You wouldn't want to drop a guys page rank just for being a procrastinator....
(assuming it's not already expired and in someone elses hands, but actually expiring)
| 4:48 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>The smart money has already noticed some expired domains dropping out of DMOZ
The ODP software is doing this automatically. I'm an ODP editor, and just discovered this today. The software automatically removed a listing from the publicly viewable directory, and kicked it back into unreviewed with a highly visible red tag saying "THIS DOMAIN HAS EXPIRED", and listing the date it will become publicly available. There is even an link to an informative page advising editors how to deal with this situation who may not be familiar with domain hijacking.
To put it in simple English for those not so ethical webmasters who think they can get away with inheriting an ODP listing by snatching up expired domains, think again. There is now a software solution in place to prevent that. For those who don't know that the ODP has got wise to domain name hijacking, you may provide some amusement for editors as they drop your hijacked domain in the bit bucket. :)
| 4:59 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
As long as they are expired, I don't see any problem with this. However, if you start removing domains that are within 30 days of expiration, then that might be a problem. Just my opinion!
| 5:01 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>>>I'll see if I can accelerate that PR drop for a batch of PR7 domains, as a favor to keep you from getting a bad deal.
No one expects google to keep the pr of an expired domain GG but why do you have to go so far as penalise that domain for having been preowned.
I have expired domains That have hardly any old links and have a lot of new ones including new Dmoz listings and still one year on Google refuses to rank them in the serps.Fairs Fair!
Remove the pr but let the domain start afresh.
| 8:26 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for all your feedback.
I think I will give it a miss and try it the old fashioned way
| 11:02 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
cabbie - gotta agree with you on this one - having bought domains based on the names and then finding out they were expired domains later (based on the googlebot requests for dirs/urls that 404'd) and I'm still waiting for these domains to earn the rankings based on the work I've done in the last year and a half. I see a lot of people say "you should have checked the history of the domain" and my response is always - why should I have to if Im just going for a name that is on topic and theme and is good for my visitors? I remember someone posting in here some time ago that the slate would be wiped clean on expireds (as it should be) and the new owner would have a fresh start - but that's not happening
| 11:12 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|I'll see if I can accelerate that PR drop for a batch of PR7 domains, as a favor to keep you from getting a bad deal. |
There are only two ways it could be a good deal. The first is if the backlinks will bring in a lot of "qualified" traffic, and that's only useful if the owners of the sites linking don't decide to drop the links. The other is if the domain name is good.
| 11:18 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Allthough it might be good to give those domains a fresh start, it can also be a bad idea.
You can imagine that there will be people clearing the `status` of their domain this way. Simply let it expire or transfer it to a `new` owner (your partner for instance) and you get a fresh start to do bad stuff.
Having said that, I think it would be best to clear the complete record of a domain when it's transferred to a new owner or when it is expired (and not bought by someone else) **UNLESS** it has a negative ranking. (caused by spamming for instance).
That way, everybody will be able to get the domain they like and they won't get the old ranking with it. You would have to build your own ranking.
At the same time, it would also prevent bad people from `clearing` their domain from the negative status.
| 12:07 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|I'll see if I can accelerate that PR drop for a batch of PR7 domains... |
The way that it is worded, the PR will be dropped anyway. He/she ;) is just speeding it all up a little.
| 3:53 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>The way that it is worded, the PR will be dropped anyway.
Right. It takes a while for Page Rank to update. I don't think it is a PR7 site.
| 3:58 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|you may provide some amusement for editors as they drop your hijacked domain in the bit bucket. :) |
or you may supply some editors with beer money :P
| 9:21 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Also, Google removes pagerank when domains change hands. |
what happens if the whois changes? e.g. I start a site under my personal name and then incorporate it and do it from an office, etc...?
| 10:06 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Also, Google removes pagerank when domains change hands"
not if the domain hasn't expired, of course!
| 11:07 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
where do you find expired domains that still have pr and backlinks.
| 11:29 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I appreciate the problem Google has trying to deal with the expired domain business and the domain name speculation trade.
Unfortunately, I suspect that any formula for catching the expired domains will also catch a large number of legitimate business transactions. There are many legitimate reasons that businesses might change hand. The owner of the site might change web developers. A small web owner might incorporate, causing the business to change legal entities without really changing hands. Moving to a different state might involve changing hands, servers etc..
Often businesses are bought and sold. The free market works by making businesses liquidable. The domain name and web site would be considered an asset of a company. Automatically devaluing that asset because of a domain name transfer is not good for the economy.
Often legitimate transactions involve major changes in the format and structure of a site. For example, if you move to a new state, you might put up a new box and toss up your brand new site design at the same fell swoop.
Often the most active web sites are the ones most prone to change...You realize you have to scale your design to a different server...
I would hate to see DNS changes or domain owner changes becoming an automatic total penalty for web sites.
| 3:05 am on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Our domain name came up for renewal dec 28th,2003 and my precious half went into a diabetic coma dec 23rd, 5 days before, she passed away jan 1st, 3 days after name expired. In all the turmoil I didnot renew it. Someone else bought the name and put an ad on the bottom of entry page that it was for sale.
It had page rank but I cant believe people and how cruel they can be. I amnot sure if this person realized the situation on my sweethearts passing away but they sure wanted something. Greed will catch up to you in the end.
I am rebuilding the website in tribute to my Nancy, it was a hobby site that touched peoples hearts. I just checked tonight after reading the posts here and the old domain name site now has page rank zero.
| 5:45 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
There are alot of different reason why people take up expired domains, some good, some bad, some knowingly and other unkowingly. Subjective arbitrary judgments hurt the innocent and rarely penalize the guilty.(they move on)
| 6:02 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm looking at buynig an expired domain name solely because of the name. I don't know if it even has back links, but it probably has a handfull or none. From what I'm reading it sounds like this domain might be penalized by Google. It's not up for sale by any of the expired domain companies. It would just be a straight buy from godaddy, for instance.
Should I stay away from it because it has expired? Or do I need to check anything out before buying it?
| 6:29 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
People in similar capacity and situation as godaddy probably make more money off of expired domain names with page rank that all their other fascids of business, as the web is possessed by page rank and it is easy marketing to sell.
That is just my opinion.
So I recommend you be very careful who you deal with in these situations and make a wise decision based on facts.
| 6:58 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It's not a situation where I am paying anything extra for the expired domain. I just want the domain because the name of it is good. I would pay the standard $9 a year at godaddy. But I don't want an expired domain if it is going to be penalized by Google. It's highly unlikely that any spamming was done with this domain. I don't think it was even used. But, are expired domains penalized by Google as a matter of their normal procedure? If so, I don't know if I would want it under any circumstances.
| 7:48 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
The google penalty on expired domains when it gives it one last no more 12 months.
To get a penalty lifted earlier send an email to webmaster@google and put "reinclusion request" in the subject line
| 8:23 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm a lawyer, but not the right type of lawyer but I believe that a sale can be agreed by way of a trust deed whereby the ownership of the domain does not need to be formally changed at the registry thereby preserving the PR. Sorry Google but you'll never know! Any 'Trust' lawyers out there?
| 8:27 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It is not a problem with transfered domains, it is a problem with expired domains.
| 8:35 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Ignore this righteous waffle.
Get the PR if you can - G doesn't care about you - boost your site if possible.
| 8:36 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Any 'Trust' lawyers out there? |
It would be fairly simple to structure, but a nightmare (read "expensive") to enforce, if it came to it.
You could also consider buying the shares in the owning company, but then you take the Company warts and all, which means liabilities. So the due diligence work involved could get very expensive.
The better option in the long run though, imo.