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How long till PR?

 7:27 am on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

How long would one expect to wait till they get some Google PR action? My site is a PR0, but I have 15 to 20 hard links with PR4 to PR6 sites. My site has been in google for approx 6 to 7 weeks now.




 7:45 pm on Mar 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

"How can that possibly benefit Google?"

Step into G's shoes - how are they currently cashing in on their market position as top SE? Adwords. G's stated mission is to have not for profit organisations in the natural listing SERPS, and the commercial sites in the ads to the right. So this may be just another bow in their armoury to get you to pay them your hard earned cash for an immediate listing in Adwords. Simple business logic.


 9:16 pm on Mar 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

You mean they have not expired and Google is changing the PR even though they are still live

Yes, Google is giving PR0s to domains in this way. That's the only place where they're actually updating PR.


 9:24 am on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google expects every webmaster to check if they link out to pages that are spamy (which GoogleGuy mentioned in some threads).

The easiest way to find out is looking at the PR (though PR 0 does not necessarily mean a page has a penalty, but it shows which pages to look at more closely).

On the other hand they don't update the PR and GoogleGuy makes a statement like the one above (which might be meant ironic though) and it may take months for the PR to update.

As much as I love Google - sometimes they are hard to understand...


 11:15 am on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

zgb999 - I couldn't agree with you more. I surely don't envy new sites, and it seems that Google is being rather unfair (especially to new sites) by not updating the PR. Google needs to rethink the PR updates if they care anything about all the new web sites, and for that matter about every web site. I'd like to give good, new, relevant sites to mine a link, but with this current situation I won't do it.

On a side note to the PR issue, I have seen a couple of sites lose PR within the past couple of weeks, but I've yet to see one with a positive gain - all the more reason not to link out to anyone these days.


 2:29 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

There are many reasons I love google so much, One big thing is the small green bar on their toolbar, Looking at the PR bar makes my life so happy, But nowadays no change in the PR for our sites, it makes life really frustrating,
PR is the only issue I give an edge for google over Yahoo, but now google dont seem to be interested in PR update,
I give a lot of credit to google because it is the one which makes life adventurous, but now No PR or backlink changes, I was a Google watcher till now but without backlink changes i am watching Yahoo more these days,


 2:34 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

The lack of PR updates is frustrating but there is nothing we can do about it.

Maybe Google will give less weight to PR in the future?
Maybe they want people with new sites to try AdWords?

Only Google knows. Just waiting now like everyone else (and doing other work of course :)).


 2:58 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

It would take awfully lot of time for new sites to settle in. Most of the webmasters dont want to link to PR0 sites, and when you need to wait 3 month, it will get depressing.


 3:58 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

when you need to wait 3 month, it will get depressing

You couldn't have said it better.

But remember: Google created the PageRank Beast and as quickly as they created it they can take it away.


 5:13 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing backlinks update right now. Someone please confirm.


 5:15 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Me too My websites are updated new PRs.!


 5:22 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've seen huge changes on two of my domains, who have been previously PR 0, one jumped to PR 4 and the other to PR 3. I am not seing any changes on my other domains whom have PR's of 3 or above.


 5:35 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just posted a new thread and waiting a mod to confirm this new BL update.


 5:37 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have also seen a PageRank update on a site that I recently launched. It got in the SERPS about 3 weeks ago. PR4 right now, no backlinks.


 5:37 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure about the backlink update, but I can gladly say it's about goddamn time that they finally made the PR update... now to finally get a chance to compete in the SERPS!


 5:43 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wholy smokes, im seeing my pr's updated too. one site got a 5 from a 4, and one got a 0 from a 1 :(


 5:44 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing them too - PR and Backlinks Update!


 6:30 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Great! I see that PR is finally showing on my new site. However how long to wait till SERP will improve? I see no difference whether I search for my keywords this morning or after this PR update


 6:46 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

does anyone here know when will google update pages and rankings because i have never seen myself on the top of google, since last august when i first got indexed and a few weeks later, i was never to be found on the top 100 pages even. However i maintain a good pr and hundreds of pages indexed throguh several websites. Dont know what to do? :(


 7:33 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

The update is sooo nice to see! :)

> how long to wait till SERP will improve?

From my experience, (just a hunch) the visible PR update will not affect SERPS. Judging by my own sites PR is changing constantly and affecting the SERPS respectively. Therefore, the visible PR update only *shows to us* the most recent PR values, and is not an indication of expected performance.

Does anyone agree?


 7:55 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

What's a big point of this happiness? knowing what individual pages to improve on your site? Or may be backlinks (not green bar) update? My traffic went 80% down 3 days ago and PR went up on a dozen of sites to 4. Big network sites penalty? Strange things happening...


 8:04 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is any one seeing any trend of sorts? I see some downward PR correction going on. Many sites I keep track of have lost PR. Infact AV is now a PR9.



 8:14 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

What a distaster. Some of my sites have lost hundreds of backlinks.


 8:21 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Crush - totally agree with you on the subject - many backlinks are lost. So the main question stands: on new sites green bar showing anything but gray & not zero: would this reflect in SERPS after todays update?


 8:26 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

would this reflect in SERPS after todays update?

Already seeing it. I have some sites linked together becuase it is all part of the company and only from the index pages. Nothing too much. Lost about 1000 links in all. Guess that is why this one took too long to update. Google had another nasty poker ready. I am off to delink them all now.


 8:30 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

At last PR has updated! :)

Off to check SERPs...


 9:17 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> would this reflect in SERPS after todays update?

Dgrand, it is another way round. Your change in ranking would have been reflected in SERPS before the update of backlinks and PR, not after.


 10:48 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

On closer inspection, the backlinks I've lost are ALL the reciprocols. So it seems that G will only give you backlink credit if it's a one way link. Anyone confirm this?

Silly me for believing G when they said they set out to make the web a more connected place! What of the client focussed vendor who exchanges links with his competitors to give the client more choice. He's now being penalised for this fair play - way to go G?!

Also, pages added 10 days ago still have a PR of 0 - hoping that this gets a quicker update than the last (not that it matters now that reciprocol linking is dead).

Long live Yahoo & MSN!


 11:26 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well linking to loads of unrelated sites probably doesn't help your visitors. Just my opinion!


 11:42 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thx for chipping your 2pennies worth in Sem4u - duh! The example I quoted was for related links, and my site has links to other international negotiation & sales providers, plus RELATED business services my clients are interested in and have used as a result of recommendations. I would hope we all already know to make links related by now, me thinks you're completely missing the point.


 11:55 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK - I had a look at your site and the links are (mostly) related to your clients etc.

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