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WWW2 & 3
different results.
needinfo




msg:209450
 10:10 am on Mar 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

WWW2 & 3 are showing big changes in the SERPs to WWW as of this morning in the UK.

Anybody else noticing anything,

 

soapystar




msg:209600
 12:57 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

<newsflash>new serps have hit the UK.</newsflash>

caveman




msg:209601
 1:02 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yep, even more jostling around versus just an hour or two ago. Gee, if I didn't know better... :-)

randle




msg:209602
 3:19 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, it would appear there are some interesting developments.

SyntheticUpper




msg:209603
 8:50 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's very mysterious - in some cases page title is everything - different pages of my own show up whether I use the plural or not in the search, and the use of singular or plural in <title> seems to be behind it.

But then suddenly this morning, on certain search terms, we have these 'glancing' relevance sites - word not in title at all - barely on the page - and unlikely to be in backlinks either (and pretty useless to the searcher.)

Seems we have a mix of semantics in some areas, and not in others.

I wouldn't mind the semantic stuff if it worked properly.

(BTW: I sell aardvarks, not exactly a money term, but I was hit badly by FlorAustinDisaster until I sprinkled my aardvark site with a few mentions of 'World Wildlife Fund' & 'Conservation.'

I then got back in the top ten with a couple of mentions of "What's the first thing in a dictionary."

But I only hit the number 1 spot again when I provided a page about making aardvark soup. 'Soup' was clearly the 'problem' word. Google wants the word 'soup' on my aardvark site - if it's not there, my semantic vector points to the wrong multi-dimensional position -bit of a bummer for specialist sites.

Such is Google's infinite wisdom regarding the relatedness of words. Should I hide the 'soup' page?

BTW2: Aardvark soup is horrible, don't try it.

BTW3: For my American friends, there is the likelihood of irony in this post :)

Much respect ;)

[edited by: SyntheticUpper at 9:02 am (utc) on Mar. 10, 2004]

angiolo




msg:209604
 8:58 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Results changes frequently; sometimes more weight to internal link text, sometime the opposite: more weight to text.

Only execellent linkpopularity stabilizes that.
It seems that google is jocking with SEO. I think that it is better to not modify pages at the moment: just add new pages with relevant content and wait.

Crush




msg:209605
 9:01 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think you need 2 to 3 sites with different SEO structures to make sure you appear day to day.

SyntheticUpper




msg:209606
 9:12 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think you need 2 to 3 sites with different SEO structures to make sure you appear day to day.

Yes, I agree. But the new model Google algo is making us all think like spammers. A total bl*ody disaster. I have the .co.uk and the .com (and in my innocence, even worried about linking between the two!)

Well forget that - if my business is being spammed out of existence, I'll join them.

I'm really disappointed with G.

shaadi




msg:209607
 9:33 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I can see the new results on www from India

But its switching every hour....

seopositioning




msg:209608
 11:24 am on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

My clients real estate rankings are now flucuating significantly..was in the top 10 for house for sale but now gone out of the top 600?

needinfo




msg:209609
 12:06 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

seeing new WWW2 & 3 results on WWW for the past 36 hours or so here in Yorkshire.

slightly worse SERPs, almost like a small step back for Google when looking at our industry SERPs.

Leosghost




msg:209610
 12:55 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

by pure chance while trying to check for something else using a "dance tool" over 10 google data centers and comparing the serps of one of my pages ( which I had tweaked the the title by changing lower to upper case on one word ) ...I can say this one came out of google.ca ...all the others showed my pre tweak page at #33 the .ca had the (new)tweak page at #1 ...
The thing that appears to be happening is again that if you want to get up and ahead in "g" world ...make a directory and make damn sure that you got some "g" ads on the pages .....
Before all the dragons start working out on me here ..I actually have been gaining position overall in the last 4 months ( and I don't have a directory site ...but I am making one just as fast as "me liddle legs can go")...
So its not sour grapes ...
Just observation ...the overwhelmingly largest overall gainers during the last 6 months from "g" have been the spammy directories who "just happen to be" choc full of google ads ..adsense etc ...
Revenue increases all round and especially for google..
We in my family used to work in "free newspaers" and the principle of a search engine with ads is exactly the same .."g" is just applying the same business model since last year...
the surprise is it took so long to get around to it ..and that so many people are still thinking that "g"s primary purpose is or ever was to inform ..it is and always was to make money..the non paid for placings were just needed for that to be feasable by drawing in searchers ...
I have no problem with that ...
I have "info pages" but if someone showed me that I didn't need to keep them online all the time and could actually make more money if I removed them ..I'd do it in a heartbeat ...
I suspect so would most of the world's webmasters ...
"g" is doing this little by little since the IPO was announced and all the comments by "gg" are just smoke and mirrors designed for "pr" ( which BTW has always "really" meant public relations )....
What is annoying is that the "coming clean" is taking so long and causing all our businessess to fluctuate so wildly in the meantime ...most of us used to work 90% of our time and watch the serps 10% (if that) .
Now its the other way around ....
And it's no longer even mildly entertaining ...
I'd just like to know how much ?
Where do I send the check?
How long do I get to buy my position for?
I'd rather deal with an honest "upfront" "out in the open" capitalist ..
Than this ongoing masquerade .......

Not a rant ..just like to get back to my work

Moncher




msg:209611
 1:59 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am going mad seeing the fluctuations in the SERP's.How long will google update go on? As Leosghost
said i am wasting my time on checking SERP's rather than working.If the Experimentation of the Algorithm is not yet completed google should think of a Test center where it does all the weird dances and then give final results on www.The results on all the datacenters are different since Brandy.Is Brandy still going on? This seems to be never ending dance.
:(

stargeek




msg:209612
 2:01 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

"This seems to be the never ending dance"
I think thats kinda the point
"daily or near-daily updates"
in my niches I've been seeing the never ending dance for a while now.

rwallace




msg:209613
 2:29 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'll Second that, Rolling Updates are the obvious goal of any SE.

RW

willybfriendly




msg:209614
 2:35 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

You know, I don't have much problem with the relevancy of the SERPs, but the lack of stability makes it difficult.

It is getting to the point that if one doesn't bookmark a site they may never find it again

WBF

merlin30




msg:209615
 2:51 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

"It is getting to the point that if one doesn't bookmark a site they may never find it again "

When all users learn to do this then it will be very good for webmasters. As will teaching users how to search properly.

The long game is the one to win.

Robert123




msg:209616
 4:39 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

my observation.

yesterday showed two unique data sets

today, one has replaced one of yesterdays data sets and the other remains, The one that is on www for the longest is the one that was introduced late yesterday

internetheaven




msg:209617
 5:25 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm still not getting any new pages added to the Google serps/index. Normally I get quite a few added every few days by freshbot.

Has anyone had any pages added over the past week or are they just seeing variations in results?

IITian




msg:209618
 5:59 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I find this hide and seek game quite interesting. I look for my site on page 1 where it used to be, it's not there. I click to go to page 2 where it has been showing up once in a while. It's not there on page 2. Now think, did G penalize me for inserting my keyword (first one) on my page. Has it moved to page 3 or worse just vanished? Just let me see what's on page 1 again. Hey, my site is already there.

Repeat this process for all your keywords.

Fun, Fun, Fun!

Chndru




msg:209619
 6:13 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

a) GG speaks in riddles which would give even Nostradamus translation difficulties.

LOL :)

tigger




msg:209620
 6:17 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Has anyone had any pages added over the past week

nope put some new pages last week still not showing

caveman




msg:209621
 6:35 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Plus, updates to many of our pages that were made weeks ago ... the kinds of changes that for while were appearing within a few days ... are still not showing up. Even for the pages that are being crawled frequently. Odd.

mfishy




msg:209622
 6:41 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not only are new pages and updates to pages quite slow as of late but the DATA that is generating the new serps is a bit stale as well.

johnser




msg:209623
 6:42 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>Even for the pages that are being crawled frequently

Ditto here. 2 sites the exact same in style & structure but different KWs & content.

1 was deep-crawled a month ago & behaving normally with latest changes in cache. The other is being crawled regularly yet still the cache shows 7 week old pages.

Anyone listening at the 'Plex?
J

teeceo




msg:209624
 6:57 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

">Has anyone had any pages added over the past week"

So its not just "MY sites" then! I have a few new sites and the lack of googlebot and the "disapering pages" in and out of google is bad (for me atleast(:..


teeceo.

europeforvisitors




msg:209625
 7:10 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone had any pages added over the past week

Yes, and very quickly. However, as far as I know, my recently added pages haven't made it into the index unless they've been linked from the home page--even though Googlebot routinely crawls 1,500 to 2,000 or more of my pages each day.

internetheaven




msg:209626
 7:21 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

As far as I can see, thousands of my indexed pages which are updated daily by me (fresh content) and which used to be cached very quickly by Google are all showing data from the beginning of February and have done so for the past six weeks.

My internal linking structures and inbound links are strong and crawler friendly and Google bot has no problem finding each page but like so many people here, no deep crawl, the bot visits the page and then vanishes without looking at another link.

But with all the hits, the data is completely stale meaning that everyone coming to the main pages of some of my sites are expecting products that are no longer on sale and haven't been on sale since January. Never had this problem before.

caveman




msg:209627
 7:49 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well...so much for freshess.

Perhaps this means that G is preparing for the biggest update ever!

In fact, I think I can feel the water being sucked off the beach right now. ;-)

ulysee




msg:209628
 8:20 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

caveman:
Perhaps this means that G is preparing for the biggest update ever!
-------------------------------------------------------
I doubt it, the serps will probably stay relatively the same for another three weeks.

Robert123




msg:209629
 8:21 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

easy caveman--
i am not sure the water is being sucked off the beach--although the anology was great if that is the case...

The constant updates really do drive a person quite mad though--even if my sites are doing well.

This reinforces this point--dont chase google. They may come back to you if build a site for the long haul

Nicke




msg:209630
 8:37 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google has been crawling heavily all day so I guess a real update is very soon, when Google is crawling my pages like this a major update may be within days. I already seen changes within the last (false alarm) update few days ago and it made big changes in my field.
No backlinks or PR was changed during that update thought.

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