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WWW2 & 3
different results.

 10:10 am on Mar 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

WWW2 & 3 are showing big changes in the SERPs to WWW as of this morning in the UK.

Anybody else noticing anything,



 6:23 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

>www2 has now shifted for me from [] to something else (that looks not very good), while that 216. result has changed a bit.

One favors directories, et al, while the other is more anchor text weighted.


 9:05 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

not been funny guys, but it looked like a PR/backlink flux to me when it started and when it stopped..... lets keep our minds focused.



 9:25 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

lets keep our minds focused.

*fingers too temples*

*straining like I'm on the toilet*

I can feel a backlink shift coming....

I can feel it.....


 10:09 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Nice imformative first post M0nKeY


 11:03 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Actually it was my second post, and I was INFORMING you that I am concentrating my telepathic energy on a backlink update.

No need to be snide.


 12:11 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I too am seeing quite a few instances of Google bringing up cache copies of pages that are several weeks old and that were substantially different to now. Other than that, I see no major update of anything.


 12:34 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Come on guys, with at least half a dozen different algo's running around at any given time and daily data resreshments you don't need an update to see different results from hour to hour.


 12:52 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

For our serach terms the 3 word phrases show big big differences but 2 word phrases not much at all.

Anybody else noticing the same?


 2:30 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been in the top 10 for automatic widgets for about a year. Just checked www2 and www3 and now I'm nowhere. A search for automatic widgets yields loads of sites that link to mine but the effective home page for all those links has apparently been banned.

But get this, that home page is for freeware. The download ratio to hits is almost exactly 50% - in other words people who've found the site have found it highly relevant.

Well, the percentage of traffic from Google has been falling for some time for me. I guess that for one product, traffic from Google is going to fall to zero soon.

If Google is working within designed parameters, then the designed parameters are wrong.



 3:10 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is the update already live somewhere? F.X. California?


 3:27 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

not been funny guys, but it looked like a PR/backlink flux to me when it started and when it stopped

I totally agree. Maybe we'll know more today.


 4:04 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

kaled, Same thing happened with one of my sites. If you searched for "my sites title", It used to be number #1...

now its completly gone (somthing like #340) and the #1 spot is the DMOZ page that points to my SITE?!?!?! The rest of the top 8 spots are all pages that link to my site using "my sites title" as the link text.

This happened about 11 days ago.

I figured I was being punnished for SOMTHING, but I have no idea what. I did remove some outbound links to a few High PR sites becasue they were no longer relevant. I don't think that would cause such a large change in the listing position becasue it still has good relevant backlinks and there is no competition for the 3 word site title.


 4:06 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

<<Just checked www2 and www3 and now I'm nowhere.>>

That's impossible since "nothin major" is going on! :)

When you sees pages going from #2 to out of the top 100, you have to wonder if this is just some new data coming in, particularly in uncompetetive areas where huge backlink flux is unlikely. Anyway, it's pretty interesting to look at :)


 4:13 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

One mammoth site I have is also gone on www2&3. This site has been in and around the top since 99


 6:09 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey, I think I've discovered a new phenomenon. Remember we had the OOP a while back - the over optimisation penalty, well, I think my site is suffering from a UOP - an under optimisation penalty.

Having been thrown to the wastelands for the most obvious two word search automatic widget, I find that if I throw in a third keyword I'm typically top 5 again (even #1).

Of course, there's not really any such thing as a UOP, its just another loose wheel rattling on the crazy Google rollercoaster.



 6:55 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>When you sees pages going from #2 to out of the top 100, you have to wonder if this is just some new data coming in...

Yeah I think this comment is closer to the truth. This doesn't feel like a real update, and GG said as much. More like a big backlink update or something of that sort. Also, as someone else noted, sometimes when you see G revert to old cache pages, it's a sign that data is about to be updated, and some of our pages are showing much older versions in the caches than we saw just a couple of weeks ago. FWIW.


 7:32 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Forgot to mention, despite the fact that my home page page for automatic widget is nowhere, a frameset for that page that contains nothing relevant beyond the title is #40.

This is not a big deal to me - I can laugh about it - but it's a sad indictment of the world's most popular (and supposedly best) search engine.

However, I shall wait to see if these results percolate into the main index before sending a sarcastic email to Google.



 7:39 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

First of all, congrats to RFGX-ETC for being wise. Very wise indeed (even though he said it himself.)

I've previously posted that 'info' page positions don't move much in the serps. I stand corrected.

I've just searched a medical condition - and the G results are very poor, very poor indeed. The top 5 results have all been copied from the same source. I'd like to see the 'real' source' - but I guess that because it is a niche authority site it is at about page 1000. Crap results Google.

p.s. The Serps were so poor I used the Google directory -and exactly the same blood-sucking, empty content, re-directing sites were there too.


 8:30 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

BTW, a plea to G**gle...

For the next update, whenever that is, please consider purging most or all of the mega-book site pages from the SERP's. Really, we know where to find books for sale, when needed. There have to be more useful listings than these.

I tell you this for your own good. ;-)


 8:58 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

There has been some sort of shuffling here in the UK for sure. A whole bunch of spammy sites just rose up (not much but enough to make the serps that little bit more irrelevant) wasn't there an email address GoogleGuy posted on here for spam reports from WebmasterWorld subscribers?


 9:16 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Didn't I say that we're going to have a major update...he he he

Unfortunately, it seems the update is just getting worst.

Whoever is their team leader for their new scoring system, he or she should look at the serp once in a while ;) and not just some half cooked formula.


 9:26 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Are people making their "this sites moved up, that sites moved down" comments against www2 & www3 or against www?


 10:10 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

All three.


 10:46 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)


I started this thread because I saw different results on WWW2 & 3 compared to WWW.

As far as our industry sector is concerned the differences are massive for 3 word phrases and only slight for 2 word phrases.


 11:13 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

i have seen two data sets today. There is not a tremendous difference between the two--is this what other are seeing?


 11:17 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I too see changes with www2 & www3 with that of www, and it's great because my site is showing at the #2 position for my keywords!


 11:23 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

The reason for asking is that it seems people feel www2 results will migrate to other data centres. GG didn't really confirm this would be the case - certainly not in the plain terms he used with Brandy.

I do see variance also on www - same sites in the top 10 compared to www2 - just in slightly different order.

Has anyone seen the results appearing on www2 appear on any results when querying www2 - I haven't.


The reference to this thread from the home page confuses the issue somewhat: "False Alarm".

There used to be significance when www2 differed from www but in the post DomEsmeFlorAuBrandy era is this still the case?


 11:34 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, on www my site is in the 12 position (2nd page) of google. On the www2 AND www3, my site is listed in the #2 position. If I do numerous refreshes on the first page of my two-word phrase on www, I see the results alternating with almost each refresh.... on one refresh I am in the #2 spot, on the next refresh I am back on the 2nd page (#12 spot), and so on.... but for www2 and www3 I am steady in the #2 position no matter how many times I refresh the page...very interesting. I bet you when things settle, I will be in the #2 spot for www. We will see!

christopher w

 12:14 am on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

wasn't there an email address GoogleGuy posted on here for spam reports from WebmasterWorld subscribers?

I have seen/heard a few different ones - best bet is to send an email to webmaster at google .com with the subject "Webmaster World"


 1:10 am on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok, if GG said that their is no update, then we must be seeing new deep crawl data coming in. I would think that this will take a few days for all crawl data to be included. I am thinking that this is the restart to the incremedial indexing with the new algo. Just my speculation though.


 2:09 am on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I see the data on www2 and www3 switch over to www about 9:00 EST every night.

The thing that I don't understand is how my number two keyword phrase will go from page 1 in the serps to page 13 the next day...then the following day I come back to page 1 again. This makes no sense at all. I'm not making any changes to my website.

I could see the serps flexuating a few spots here and there but this is crazy to jump back and forth every other day from page 1 to oblivion and then back again.

Anyone else seeing this?

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