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Google the Enforcer
Methods of Punishment
MacroChap




msg:159228
 6:31 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just read a comment in another thread (on cloaking) which said words to the effect of:
"Google may ban your site, or at best severely punish it...yada yada"

Probably a really obvious question to some of you guys, but how might google punish a site, other than by banning it? Thankfully I have never had to give it a great deal of thought, but you never know what tomorrow brings.

I realise that a site is judged on set criteria, so I don't intend punishment to mean a fair assessment of a badly built site.

 

BallochBD




msg:159229
 10:13 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site was punished (apparently because of a link to a "bad neighbourhood") back in January. Despite repeated requests, emails and even contact with GG I have not been reincluded. My site is NOT an offender it would appear that my problem is solely due to my association with a site that used keyword stuffing techniques (but I must say that in my opinion still provides a useful, sought after service).

The effect of this punishment was that Google retained my site in the index but removed all spidering, cache and titles, which effectively banned me. I now receive NO traffic from Google. A ban by any other name ...?

walkman




msg:159230
 10:16 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

did you link to them or the "bad site" linked to you? I'm curios since we can't control who links to us.

BallochBD




msg:159231
 7:58 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

We had reciprocal links. We were amongst a bunch nine or ten related sites with maintenance engineering content who had linked to each other. This site did use keyword stuffing techniques. There is no doubt about this but to me it did not seem to be as bad as others I have encountered.

They are a legitimate engineering business in the UK who deal in very many, specialised and hard to find robotics and automation spare parts. Lot's of these have foreign names. What they had done was list many of them on their home page as links. (Had I been looking for these parts I would have been delighted to find them in this way.)

I am an engineer and I have been involved in robotics and automation in the past. Sourcing parts is always difficult and in my dealings with this company I must admit that I did not see what they had done as a problem. Unfortunately Google did! As an engineer I recognise the fact that lists and catalogues of spare parts are common in our industry. That's just how we find things.

Unless I am reading this wrong I think it may be a case of the Google algo misinterpreting this list because it does not know about engineering. The thing that bothers me is that as yet the site is still there, it's mine that has been penalised :o(

This is my opinion as an engineer not as a webmaster and I am not a techie when it comes to web design. However I would be willing to bet that I know more about "dirt under the fingernails" engineering than the Googlebot :o)

dhaliwal




msg:159232
 8:42 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, i have another question

I have a website which is crawled everyday.

Now the google's cache about my website changes everyday as i change my page content everyday.

Now the problem is that inspite google caching my page everyday, it isn't going to the pages that the main page points to.

I am just feeling that google might be punishing my website also as i did keyword stuffing in one search page of my website

Well i am not sure as all my pages are displayed on google but not the newly made pages. this is happening from last one month and i am in trouble as in last one moth we have had more than 400 pages full of content which are not yet indexed.

what is google dancing all about?

anyone got answers?

dhaliwal

BallochBD




msg:159233
 9:20 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dhaliwal if you are new to this I suggest you start at Brett's excellent Google knowledge base, [webmasterworld.com...] this will tell you just about all you need to know or point you in the right direction.

Happy reading :O)

MacroChap




msg:159234
 9:38 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

BallochBD,
How can you be sure that it was this link that caused your site to bomb?

dhaliwal




msg:159235
 9:56 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

well ballachd

it needs me to login?
is it a paid article?

i can't find it by loggin into the system

don't know why

but whats that all about

regards,
dhaliwal

kaled




msg:159236
 12:00 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

It seems unlikely that a single link to a dodgy site would get you banned esp if the site in question has not been banned.

There are many other, more likely, explanations.

Have you lost some critical back-links?
Has someone stuffed up your robots.txt file?
Has your host banned Googlebot? (It really does happen)
Have you edited your site and accidentally created some hidden (or low-contrast) text? Bear in mind that Googlebot ignores javascript, etc.
Have you edited your site and created bad HTML that makes Googlebot puke?

Are you really banned? Are pages still indexed but only as URLS? This seems to indicate that Googlebot came looking but was turned away.

Have you tried searching site:domain.com -asdf

Like I said, there are many explanations for apparently being banned.

Kaled.

creative craig




msg:159237
 12:05 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Do you have any proof that all of this went on because of your link to the bad site?

BallochBD




msg:159238
 3:17 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

The only proof I have is Googleguy's word and that will do for me :o)

From Googleguy in another thread last week ...

"Looking at that, seems like there was a lot of link stuffing going on in the past with that domain and 8-10 others. I'll ask someone to re-investigate and check if the links to the bad neighborhood are gone, and if they are they'll reinclude the domain. I'd give it about a week or so to start to see any positive effects though."

This was six days ago and as yet I have not been re-included but I am hopeful that this will happen in the next few days.

apollo




msg:159239
 10:44 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

dhaliwal wrote:
>>well ballachd
>>it needs me to login?
>>is it a paid article?
>>i can't find it by loggin into the system

I am not so sure it is directly relevant to your original question but the link is:

[webmasterworld.com...]

(without the full stop at the end)

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