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How important is the IP number?
BigMatthew




msg:127181
 7:37 am on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've set up my own server and I host my own site, I of course have one static ip number. I'm not clear with google on how important the ip number is with google. Lets say I host several domains and sites that are for ecommerce purposes on my server. The of course will all be on the same ip number. I may have some that have subdomains and some that not, but non the less they are all on the same ip. Would google look at this same ip for all the sites and frown somewhat on it?

The range of ecommerce products may not be the same, let's say one particular domain may contain an array on information and products about shoes, another may contain information and products about snow board equipment. All the stores are owned by me, but does google look at all these sites hosted on the same ip number and penalize or frown on such a thing. I know this is very similiar to dynamic hosting when you have a hosting company that has a single ip and multiple sites are hosted on it. I do know that some hosting companies will give you dynamic ip's and there might be 500 websites hosted on that single ip number. If one of them spams google then google may ban the "ip" number and all 500 sites are penalized.

I'm not getting at that I intend to spam, further from the truth, I practice good business online, but I guess what started to make me question this issue was "I have never hosted all my sites" until now, so now it's an issue for me.

Any input is appreciated, thanks much.

 

millie




msg:127182
 9:08 am on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

No, it's fine to have all your sites on the same server. The main thing to watch is that you shouldn't cross-link them with each other in an un-natural way. So if you have a site about tennis shoes and a site about how to play tennis these would be OK to link, but it would not be good to cross-link sites if they are not relevant to each other.

I'm not sure how the SEs would view it if your sites were all chasing the same keywords. I don't think they look fondly on a single IP address monopolizing the SERPs.

adfree




msg:127183
 3:04 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

How about running the corporate site and various industry sites on the same IP and reference back to the corporate site on all these industry sites?
Penalty?
Can't really be true, is it?

millie




msg:127184
 4:06 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mmm, I don't know. I've got just that concern at the moment - parent company and then each company / brand within the group has a site on the same IP. Naturally the client wants to X-ref them all. I guess that's like a little link farm although the methodology behind it isn't at all spammy, just corporate good sense.

Anyone?

hutcheson




msg:127185
 4:43 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's not IP comparision that gets you in trouble: it's incestuous encapsulated linking. If you have a group of sites set up as a roach hotel for links (A.K.A. "bad neighborhood" or "ghetto"), a simple matrix partition algorithm will make it stick out like a skin cancer on the body of online knowledge. And, need I remind you, Google's whole scheme is based on fast matrix computations.

Given this, given Google's repeated emphasis on NOT using "unnatural link schemes", given repeated sad stories in this forum from people who laboriously spread their affiliate program out over multiple hosts, only to have Google strip all but one of them out of its search results -- it is irrational to the point of psychosis to create strong interlinks between otherwise-hardly-linked sites, then speculate about what ELSE might get you in trouble.

On the other hand, 100,000 strongly interlocked pages on the SAME server will cause no problems -- if some of them have good incoming and outgoing links.

This points up a danger in "link exchange" schemes -- they amount to something like an inverted-Mr.-Rogers "come into my BAD neighborhood" invitation.

farside847




msg:127186
 4:44 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, we all know that Google keeps a record of:
- IP address for site
- owner of site
- address/contact of site

I would not be surprised if there is some kind of duplicate content check to see if one person ownes multiple similar sites using this information.

farside847




msg:127187
 4:54 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

it's incestuous encapsulated linking

I would be interested in hearing more about this topic. Lets say that I create 3 large sites (200k pages each). One has widget reviews, one about how to pick a widget, and another with widget definitions. All 3 sites are very useable for a real person and display different data in different ways, but all on the same main topic. All 3 sites link to each other on the bottom of each page. Would this fall under incestuous encapsulated linking?

adfree




msg:127188
 5:10 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Absolutely not, pretty much all large, useful sites do so for very practical reasons.

Whatever makes good sense to users and for the purpose of entertaining a solid online entity will not be touched by the major SEs, I am absolutely positive of this!

brmmbrmm




msg:127189
 8:36 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

This has got me thinking, what constitutes a "natural" v "unnatural" link?

In my case I have created several websites for a number of complementary therapists. Now this is a category that covers aromatherapy, reflexology and all sorts of wierd as well as conventional stuff. I'm considering creating links between these clients. It would help visitors find other relevant websites, and I would hope it would boost SERPS.

Will Google think this is natural or unnatural?

birdy




msg:127190
 10:08 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, we all know that Google keeps a record of:
- IP address for site
- owner of site
- address/contact of site

Has anyone have any idea how often Google check these and refreshes?

adfree




msg:127191
 10:11 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Will Google think this is natural or unnatural?

Again, what do your USERS think? Eventually, if not happening already THIS has to be the only thing of any interest to Google (and all other successful SEs).

metagod




msg:127192
 10:41 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, we all know that Google keeps a record of:
- IP address for site
- owner of site
- address/contact of site

Does anybody have any proof that they keep record of this type of information?

trimmer80




msg:127193
 10:41 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Been wondering this as well.

If i have an online retails for computers. and want to create a 'shopping network' could this be done. Computers are not related to 'gift baskets' but if the link text focused on the 'online store' element of each site would it be related. i.e. link text =
online store for gift baskets
online store for Music/Cds
etc

experienced




msg:127194
 5:47 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi,

If you have a number of sites hostd on the same server on the same ip using the same concepts for every site and linking all of them, Result is penalty.

If you have a number of sites hostd on the same server but not on the same ip (different on D level only) using the same concepts for every site and linking all of them, Result is penalty.

If you have a number of sites hostd on the same server but different ip (different on C level) using the same concepts for every site and linking all of them, Result may be penalty.

If you have a number of sites hostd on the same server but different ip (different on C level) using the same concepts with different content for every site and linking all of them, Not penalty.

If you have a number of sites hosted on 2 different server using the same concepts for every site and linking all of them (sites on different server only)... No Penalty.

If you have a number of sites hostd on the different server using the same concepts for every site and linking all of them, No Penalty.

experienced




msg:127195
 5:48 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Disclaimer "Blah Blah Blah Blah" :)

Net_Wizard




msg:127196
 6:04 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

:lol:

Google can still detect almost all your scenarios regardless of IP except for the last 2 paragraphs.

I dont' think Google keep records of who owns, the contact, and IP of a particular domain. If they do, that would be very inefficient.

All they have to do really is query the dns information per domain not the registrar then create a database just for dns and the sites that resolves to each dns.

From there it would be easy to run a pattern analysis for each domain that is being hosted in that dns.

If multiple domains shows near similar pattern(structure, theme, ODP listing ;), page rank, and other factors) then it's possible to penalize some of near duplicate domains without even bothering checking for IP.

birdy




msg:127197
 7:39 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

All they have to do really is query the dns information per domain not the registrar then create a database just for dns and the sites that resolves to each dns.

So what will the poor same market webmasters do which are hosted from same host?

Net_Wizard




msg:127198
 5:29 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's near impossible that two separate webmaster with the same market would have a 'near' similar structure.

However, in cases like...

1. Templated affiliate programs where the only distinction between the two site is the domain name, IMHO, Google have the right to index only one of the domain regardless if the two sites are owned by separate owner. Why would it index 2 same site?

2. Realtors - where a big hosting & design company use the same template and database. I'm not sure how Google would treat this one. Perhaps 1 site per county per major realtor depending on other algo factors for each realtor.

rfgdxm1




msg:127199
 5:47 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

>I dont' think Google keep records of who owns, the contact, and IP of a particular domain. If they do, that would be very inefficient.

They do, and it is quite efficient. This is how they can zero out all backlinks on expired domain names bought by others.

Krapulator




msg:127200
 5:54 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>So what will the poor same market webmasters do which are hosted from same host?

I don't believe this on its own would be enough to have any detrimental effect.

birdy




msg:127201
 10:05 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks Net_Wizard and Krabulator,

I agree that will not be a detrimental effect by on its own.

It's near impossible that two separate webmaster with the same market would have a 'near' similar structure.

The question is not the structure is DNS

  • Lets say two webmasters target word is "blue widgets" and some how they used same host and DNS.

    What will Google be looking next?
    I am bit confused about this any ideas?

  • Troppo




    msg:127202
     11:17 am on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

    The question is not the structure is DNS

    Right on Birdy. Conventional wisdom also assumes Whois information is completely corrupted and useless because people fake the records. Ergo, Google can't possibly use a Whois database. That's not as safe an assumption as generally believed. A publicly available subscription service allows access to the history of changes to a domains Whois record. It's likely Google has those records in their DB also.

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