| 3:46 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Try the dead C++ scrolls!
But seriously, I don't think you'll find this information. If you do please let us all know :>)
|More Traffic Please|
| 4:29 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
site:www.example.com Keyword1 Keyword2
Does your site come up? If so, you are at least in Googles index. If you no longer come up, that's real bad.
| 4:36 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Welcome to webmasterworld
1) Do you have a good set of back links?
2) Are you getting any traffic from Google?
3) Is PR = 0 throughout your site?
If your answers are 1)Yes, 2)No, 3)Yes, then I'd say you have a algo penalty or similar.
| 4:50 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
More Traffic Please,
my website was previously PR5 to PR6, top-ranking and just disappeared from the index. Toolbar says: page not ranked, it is nowhere in the index, can't be found even when searching for the URL. This happened from one day to the other.
Also site:****x does not return any results
Backlinks are still showing! Plus there is a cached snapshot that one can see using the 'Cached snapshot of Page' function in the toolbar.
I have not done any changes to this site in the last months, except exchanging some links. Who can help clear this up? Any advise would be much much appreciated.
|More Traffic Please|
| 5:19 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Fortunatly, I am not an expert on penalties or banned sites. Generally the people that are have become so because it has happened to them.
Let me ask you, was your site down at any point in the recent past? Its possible googlebot may have come around when the site was down. If that was the case, I understand that getting reindexed is much quicker today than it used to be.
|Toolbar says: page not ranked, |
Do you mean your PR went from PR6 to a white bar? If so, then something is definitely up.
Have you changed anything in your site that would make it difficult for a spider to crawl?
Have you linked to other sites that have been banned? Generally, you would have to link to more than just one to have it effect you?
I am going on the assumption that you are not using tricks that could get you in trouble either via a filter or competitor reporting you and Google doing a hand review of your site.
I'm sure others with more knowledge will chime in here.
| 10:13 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Do you mean your PR went from PR6 to a white bar? |
No, I mean my PR went from PR6 to a gray bar.
I have not changed anything at all. If google engineers have looked at my site, I don't have any idea why would they ever want to remove it from the index.
|Was your site down at any point in the recent past? |
My site was not down. If that would be so easy...
I really don't understand this.
|I'm sure others with more knowledge will chime in here. |
Unfortunatelly, dreams seldom come true :-(
| 10:27 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
you've been banned by google.
you can appeal to be readded...
do a google search for "site dropped from google index"
you were probably banned because:
1. you participated in banned link exchanges
2. you employed deceptive/cloaking techniques or doorway pages
| 11:00 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I have a similar situation...
2 month old site went from PR3 to PR0 as of Friday(white bar, not gray)
The site is still in the index and our backlinks are still showing up.....any ideas why PR might of dropped?
| 11:04 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
My site is the same way...meaning I was PR5 prior to Florida fiasco and had full stats on alexa as well....Since Florida (on/about 1st week of december) I have "White space" basically blank PR - no rank - I had a PR5 pre-florida going back along time 2+ years probably or whenever they stated PR
[edited by: DaveAtIFG at 11:28 pm (utc) on Feb. 17, 2004]
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| 11:06 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I have a basic question. Is penalized different from being banned or blacklisted? I hear both these words used frequently.
| 11:16 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
penalization only damages your ranking. it does not remove your site from the index.
banning and dropping means you get a grey bar, and nothing with the site: command.
PR0 and a white bar means your backlinks disappeared. you probably employed blogging spam techniques which were picked up on and dropped by Google in the Austin update, late January. Not to worry though, you just need to go find permanent links now.
| 11:47 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
"PR0 and a white bar means your backlinks disappeared"
My sites backlinks still appear in Google and the site is now a PR0 from a measly PR3.
The funny thing is that the site is just a spare time project and is non-competitive. It is not optimized, has only a few outbound links (all to reputable sites) and is doing nothing that I see that Google would frown upon....what am I missing?
| 11:55 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)|
dont worry! you arent missing anything.
google has recalculated backlinks (last week) but hasnt updated pagerank.
i imagine it will happen later this week.
| 12:46 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
The toolbar PR of new sites is unstable. Also the toolbar does not reliably report PR. If a new site is reported as having a PR of 3 after an update, a PR 0 on the next is almost to be expected unless a lot of new backlinks were added. On the next update (iteration) PR will probably bounce back to 1 or 2.
With regard to the banned sites, do the following.
1) Check your robots.txt file. Has an employee (just fired) banned googlebot?
2) Check your host. Believe it or not, hosts have banned googlebot in the past. There have been several threads here on WW in the last year.
3) Check for hidden text (even accidental) and other bad practices.
4) Check for links to bad domains. Delete all links to other sites that are gray-barred.
5) When you are certain that your site will pass a detailed inspection, email Google. Be concise and polite. Perhaps others may suggest another email address but webmaster-AT-google.com ¦ subject = reinclusion request is probably as good as any.
6) Cross your fingers and toes and wait. If none of the above works it's time to register a new domain name and possibly find a new host (in case Google has banned you because of your IP address).
PS I haven't been banned. The above is just a summary of what's been said here on WW in the past.
| 1:10 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I am an expert on google bans and penaltys.
I will accept for a short time only (just today)the first 10 stickies of your urls (1 url per person)and I will tell you probably as much as anyone whether you have a google penalty or ban but please give me 3 days to answer you.
| 4:11 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
email google. it'll take a couple of days, but just ask if your site has been penalized or otherwise dropped from the index. someone will get back to you. don't bother them. it could take up to 2 weeks to hear, but they're actually not that hard to get in touch with, and they do check email...at least from my experience :)
| 12:44 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
You must have been lucky, I've been waiting more than two weeks, I've contacted them 5 times and all I've had is standard acknowledgements.
| 5:45 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
i put in one email, and waited patiently. the old adage that the squeeky wheel gets the grease doesn't always apply when it comes to email. i think that if you send too many emails you get ignored. they don't want to send out the impression that you can get through by buggin' 'em.
or, maybe i just got lucky :)
| 9:06 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Some of the people complain that they PR dropped to 0. But this is not what happened to me. The pr is grayed on my site.
What do you think is the difference?
| 9:27 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Medcenter>>>penalization only damages your ranking. it does not remove your site from the index.
banning and dropping means you get a grey bar, and nothing with the site: command. <<<<
BANNING! if a site of 5, all duplicated and all from
one domain Company and shows off with about 200 thousand listed across the board and two of these ranks even right below each other, first two from yes
dups from this company. Is this not a subject for banning? Makes us wonder on top of everything why
it remains to be for almost 2 years now!
Yet I see here many have no idea or don't know why
there site might have been gone and are asking for help!
Can anyone have any comments on this please..
| 7:25 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'd be more interested if there exists a person who has ever recovered from a gray-bar penalty.
| 2:49 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I recovered about 2 years ago from a gray bar penalty. The site pre-austin was a PR8 - that is a healthy recovery. Post austin is a PR6. But the point is - a recovery is indeed possible.
I had subscribed to the Links2U program - instant zap. When that was removed from my pages - it was included again on the next crawl.
Hope this helps.
| 4:52 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
my site was getting thousands of referals a day from Google. Now, nothing. A search of site:www.mydomain.com keyword gives no results. However, when using the toolbar, I still have PR5 and, using the toolbar, over 30 back links from other sites.
Moral of the story. My site was banned. YAY! for yahoo's new index.
| 5:44 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
why be banned? it is pretty straight forward why they ban.
there is no reason why any should be banned if they follow common sense and general guidelines...
| 6:19 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Google shouldn't penalize anyone unless the person being penalized actually took the time to "SUBMIT" using their submission method via their site. Which meant that you have to agree to their policies yada yada...
They don't own the net and crawl sites, index and rank without permission so wouldn't penalizing a site kinda be like slander?
That might be a reason why they don't respond to all emails. "Plausable deniability" we plea the 5th!
All being said how about the new yahoo :)
| 6:44 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I really don't think that google show their ban with a gray bar anymore.
their latest trick among others is to leave the pr and backlinks showing but show no information about the site on the Query www.banneddomain.com .
You know you have been banned and not penalised or forgotten when they don't display "If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link:"
| 8:24 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
SEOMIKE wrote ...
<Google shouldn't penalize anyone unless the person being penalized actually took the time to "SUBMIT" using their submission method via their site.>
Mike, this is an excellent point and one that I never thought of before! Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
| 1:56 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I have a site that was first indexed about 5 months ago. PR is zero.
Other new sites on the same server/ip had PR.
I wasn't using any tricks or bad stuff at all, only good clean html.
when I did a search for "mydomainname" it was the very last result. (not ****xx.com just xxxxx)
after 3 months of waiting and seeing my other sites already had PR, I ran a link check to find 3 broken links on the new site.
Googlebot was only dropping by once a month.
I fixed the broken links.
about a month later, Googlebot came back and started indexing. Now the last 10 days, Googlebot has been visiting everyday.
Since Brandy results have appeared, whilst the toolbar still shows no PR, It certainly seems like we have PR in the algo as the site is coming up number 2 in the serps where it was previously not showing at all.
In one of the original PageRank documents, there is mention to the effect that high PR pages/sites are crawled more frequently whilst low PR pages less frequently as 404's, timeout's ,etc. are a waste of resources when the googlebot is trying to crunch through as many pages as possible, in the least amount of time.
It's the reason high PR pages are crawled so often.
Im confident that I will see some PR on the toolbar for this site soon as toolbar PR is updated.
Finally after 6 months its actually ranking well.
moral of the story....
"watch out for dead links"
| 3:55 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|They don't own the net and crawl sites, index and rank without permission so wouldn't penalizing a site kinda be like slander? |
So if Peter Jackson fails to thank his publicist in his Oscars acceptance speech, the publicist should sue him for slander?
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