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Update Brandy Part 3
GoogleGuy




msg:70899
 7:41 pm on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Continued From: [webmasterworld.com...]

"Any clue as to the possible role greater reliance on semantics is playing in your never ending quest for more relevant results?"

I'd say that's inevitable over time. The goal of a good search engine should be both to understand what a document is really about, and to understand (from a very short query) what a user really wants. And then match those things as well as possible. :) Better semantic understanding helps with both those prerequisites and makes the matching easier.

So a good example is stemming. Stemming is basically SEO-neutral, because spammers can create doorway pages with word variants almost as easily as they can to optimize for a single phrase (maybe it's a bit harder to fake realistic doorways now, come to think of it). But webmasters who never think about search engines don't bother to include word variants--they just write whatever natural text they would normally write. Stemming allows us to pull in more good documents that are near-matches. The example I like is [cert advisory]. We can give more weight to www.cert.org/advisories/ because the page has both "advisory" and "advisories" on the page, and "advisories" in the url. Standard stemming isn't necessarily a win for quality, so we took a while and found a way to do it better.

So yes, I think semantics and document/query understanding will be more important in the future. pavlin, I hope that partly answers the second of the two questions that you posted way up near the start of this thread. If not, please ask it again in case I didn't understand it correctly the first time. :)

 

andy_boyd




msg:71199
 1:08 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Understandable DJGreg - but when you've had you're income annihilated for the last couple of months it's refreshing to see things actually going your way.

vrtlw




msg:71200
 1:10 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Calm down and just wait until it settles!

I'm sorry, just it seems that many people are seeing different things, I dont want to seem alone here especially with these *nice things* I am seeing. My guess is that these SERPS, not the 64. that GG said would probably roll out will actually make it to the final Brandy update. I hope this is the case as they are much better than anything I have seen from G in the past 6 months.

djgreg




msg:71201
 1:11 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

andy:
I absolutely understand you, just wanted everybody to calm down.
vrtlw:
I am really confused in what you might be seeing, but for me for all the keywords I am monitoring (~100) www2 and www3 are showing the 64 reuslts as GG said.
I can't see why not trust in him, I can't remember him saying anything wrong anytime.

[edited by: djgreg at 1:16 pm (utc) on Feb. 17, 2004]

wine_guru




msg:71202
 1:13 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Calm down and just wait until it settles!"
Yup, getting over excited here a bit guess, sorry ;) It was just the disparity of what lots of different people were seeing. Be nice for searchers and web sites to be back in land of relevant results from people that can fufill searchers requirements - whether it's information or commercial. We actually offer both, so it's not even as cut and dry as that.

andy_boyd




msg:71203
 1:20 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Of course we'll still have the naysayers and diehard Google fanboys after this all settles, but I wonder how this will be seen among the community?

From where I stand I see the OOP filter (or whatever you want to call it) being relaxed, and I also think that the prerequisites for being considered an 'authority site' have been diminished somewhat.

It is good to see, *some* sites that provided good content and relevant products that were wiped out by Florida and Austin are now back.

vrtlw




msg:71204
 1:23 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

vrtlw:
I am really confused in what you might be seeing, but for me for all the keywords I am monitoring (~100) www2 and www3 are showing the 64 reuslts as GG said.
I can't see why not trust in him, I can't remember him saying anything wrong anytime.

djgreg,

I just stickied you a word doc with some serps

djgreg




msg:71205
 1:31 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

vrtlw:
sure www. is not showing the 64 results at the moment, but we are talking about www2 and www3 and there I can see exactly the 64 results.

vrtlw




msg:71206
 1:32 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

www2 + 3 are showing exactly the same results!

[added]I'll put that in a word doc if you really want too[/added]

djgreg




msg:71207
 1:34 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

vrtlw, it seems indeed we are seeing different serps on www2 and www3. therefore I suggest we just wait until all shifts to www, which finally is the important one .

258cib




msg:71208
 1:43 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

On my primary city, state sites:
Dropped from 4 to 12, 7 to 15, 3 to 22, 4 to 7, 12 to 14.
I'm getting swamped my hotels, webmasters (this is new), and florists. And, as always, the lame "directories" with little real content are beating our heads in.

Now, truth be told, we have not done any super-serious SEO. Yet.

HenryUK




msg:71209
 2:12 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK, I've stayed out of this until now.

Q: Why is my site interesting as a diagnostic tool?
A: Because it has terrible on-page optimisation (it's almost all gifs) but unbelievably great anchor text links in on one particular competitive 2-word phrase (thousands of pages across a network of sites with PR4-8 (pages not links) and thousands more below that level). By the way the phrase is highly relevant to the site's actual content!

Let me make clear before I go on that I am *NOT* complaining. I'm more interested in less competitive but more specific phrases.

Here is what has happened to this so far

The site has previously fluctuated between #4 and #8 for this phrase.

Before the weekend I was stuck around #8 for a while. The initial shuffle saw the site at #3. Now I am down to #9 on www; still at #3 on www2 (with totally different top two!); #11 on Yahoo and #1 on AOL!

If anyone is remotely interested I can give them the final position when it all shakes out.

Henry

bwelford




msg:71210
 2:41 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

From Canada, I'm seeing different results on 64 and www2.

customdy




msg:71211
 2:46 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Now seeing 64 on www, www2, and www3 in the Eastern US. Looks like GG was right on the money, I had alot of doubt but things are looking fairly consistant. Looks like we have a real update going on.

Dumb_guy




msg:71212
 3:05 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

64.x results showing in southern California for the first time... :~D

DigiSEO




msg:71213
 3:24 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is looking good! Finally a light at the end of the tunnel! It is nice to see such relevant good results again!

wolfgang




msg:71214
 3:26 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am curious as I just tuned in and don't want to wade through all 22 pages of this thread. I see that www2 and www3 results are mentioned in the same breath as GG, did he say that these serps are what we can expect on www when the dust settles or is it the opposite? Thanks.

BallochBD




msg:71215
 3:41 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Wolfgang, Effectively, that was the opinion he expressed.

Hissingsid




msg:71216
 3:45 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am curious as I just tuned in and don't want to wade through all 22 pages of this thread. I see that www2 and www3 results are mentioned in the same breath as GG, did he say that these serps are what we can expect on www when the dust settles or is it the opposite? Thanks.

We are following the flow results that were on 64.*.*.* which GoogleGuy confirmed would become the new data on google.com and others in the near future. It looks like that dat has moved onto www2 and www3, Yahoo.com and it is occasionally seen on some of the national domains.

If you can be bothered with the tedium. Go to 64.233.161.104 or 64.233.161.98 or 64.233.161.99 which we are reliably informed is the new update and compare that with www, www2 and www3.

Best wishes

Sid

Noximus




msg:71217
 4:28 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has any body seen Pr Update?

pavlin




msg:71218
 4:44 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's very interesting and funny to see all this reports about 64 showing here and there.
It can be www now, but not in 5 minutes...
It can be www here, but not on the office next door...
So what does it means 64 is www in Canada!?!?

Would someone explain what is the meaning of all this reporting?
Aint it clear that the main point is not that www resolves to 64*, but when the results from 64* go to the pther dc?

metrostang




msg:71219
 4:50 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Question from a new member:

Many of us are seeing an update for the first time in this much detail. Is there a normal sequence of events that should be expected? Do results usually roll out first to www2 and www3? How long has it taken in the past to stabalize on www. Is Brandy following the pattern of past updates?

How long after a major update like this does G normally wait to update their listings? My entire site has been crawled by G during the past week. Changes to my index have been picked up next day, but none of the other pages are showing.

Noximus




msg:71220
 4:53 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Stabilization fo www will take about 4-5 day as usual. Do you see pr update?

digitsix




msg:71221
 5:01 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

wow last few pages remind me of something out of independance day...

We're seeing UFO's in Moscow, london new york and LA! AHHHHHHH

oh yeah, and www2 and www3 are pointing to 216 and 216 is now reporting 64 results, at least for me anyway.

djgreg




msg:71222
 5:06 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Noximus:
PR was updated on one of my sites last week. Raised from 6 to 7,
yeeaaah!

Noximus




msg:71223
 5:08 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

djgreg,
Good luck!

pavlin




msg:71224
 5:25 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think we shoul wayt for a new PR update as usual in the middle of the week - wednsday to friday ...

drewls




msg:71225
 5:27 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just to clarify, Google has a large number of IP addresses that start with 216. www2 and www3 are pointing at an IP that starts with 216, but the index that we were referring to previously as the '216 index' is still intact and unchanged on 216.239.37.98.

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