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Same URL more than once in same keyword SERPS?
agent20




msg:40153
 4:48 pm on Feb 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have started to notice on some heavily searched keywords in the g serps that the same url is being shown in page after page.

Now i am not talking same url, different page i am talking same url i.e www.yourname.com appearing on 5 consecutive pages for the same search term.

Surely this is not possible or is it?

I have seen this on a travel search term on more than one URL searching g.com in the UK.

Anyone else seen this?

 

zomega42




msg:40154
 6:25 pm on Feb 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, this very thing happened to my site about a week ago. We were at #10 and #11 for the same very popular keyword. I have no idea why this is happening, but it tripled our traffic for about 16 hours!

outland88




msg:40155
 7:05 pm on Feb 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing a whole lot of this. Results for page 10+ contain the same URL's repeated page after page, with many keywords I monitor.

Google is going down the tubes quick. Now many sites can just mention the keyword and they're ranked above sites whose content is entirely about the keyword. Spam is everywhere and relevance past the first page of a search is very questionable.

agent20




msg:40156
 10:56 am on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Surely this is a problem that g cannot deny, the SERPS are no longer dominating the engine market.

There has to be something we can do, g is ignoring spam reports and general mail and the Press that is coming out of g is pushing towards non commercial SERPS and commercial sites having to pay through adwords.

In the UK on the money program on BBC2 a spokesperson for g actually admitted this is what there long term goal is.

From my point of view it is a sell out and with the SERPS still containing huge amounts of spam and companies with money (i.e able to buy back links) making the top of the engines. They are going the wrong way about this and we are already looking forward to the yahoo switch so that more of G's dominance is erroded.

GoogleGuy




msg:40157
 6:44 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

agent20, are you sure it was an identical url, not just similar urls (e.g. one url had a trailing slash and one didn't)?

If you think the url was identical, would you email the search query to webmaster [at] google.com? Use the keyword "identicalurl" and then I can search for that and pull up your email. I'd be curious to find out more details.

Spine




msg:40158
 6:52 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I see this too, and I'm positive the URL is identical as far as slashes, www and everything else. The description snippet is identical too.

I won't share any terms though, because I only seem to see my sites doing it :)

jcoronella




msg:40159
 7:18 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Are these on the same page? Google is rotating 3 different results right now, and it could be that you are seeing set1 with the url ranked on page 1, set2 with url ranked on page 2, etc.

This rotating SERP thing has got to be confusing a LOT of users. "Where was the site I just clicked on?!"

phish




msg:40160
 7:28 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey GG,
Yep it is happening. EXACTLY the same url shows up in the serps twice or more times for the same exact keyword. For example search results for "widgets" shows example.com in position 3 and also in position 7.
Im sending you some specific searches, and im trying to get you some screenshots of where im seeing it.

-phish

GoogleGuy




msg:40161
 7:57 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, somebody send me an example query. :) Just put "identicalurl" in an email to webmaster [at] google.com and tell me some serps to look at. Now I'm really curious. :)

Chelsea




msg:40162
 8:09 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy,

Why can't you just explain what has been happening for the past 3 months?

There's been talk of a 'process' - but it's all looking a bit crap to me.

p.s. There's more to 'sweetcorn on pizzas' in the UK, we have thousands of years of history.

Cheers

p.p.s.

I have to add this: with over 80% of the search market, if your algo is poor, you could damage the entire Internet. I know you used to care about this, Do you still care?

[edited by: Chelsea at 8:14 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2004]

Zeberdee




msg:40163
 8:12 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

We had the same thing earlier in the week.

The search term was not at all relevant to our site, which is why I researched it, but our site appeared at 26, 36, 46 and 56. See the pattern? Yes it was precisely the same page from our site each time in the same offset position on the Google results page.

If you really are from Google, 'GoogleGuy', can I ask what on earth is going on with these results you are serving? They are chaos with the sensible and useful sites hidden. Even our intranet has changed its default search to Altavista because of it.

Chelsea




msg:40164
 8:16 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ouch! - Zeberdee, I know you come from a non commerce background - but GG is genuine.

seofreak




msg:40165
 8:24 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you think the url was identical, would you email the search query to webmaster [at] google.com? Use the keyword "identicalurl" and then I can search for that and pull up your email. I'd be curious to find out more details.

Googleguy, i can email you an instance where a particular site has been there on every page from 300# to 400# .. shifting 1 spot up every page.

pavlin




msg:40166
 8:30 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just send an e-mail with a query where the exast same URL shows up for more than 5 times. On the same query there are more repeating URL's.
The same query shows also other strange things, regardin the new algo. Yheyare becoming even more clear when you use the "-www" "hack".

Chelsea




msg:40167
 8:36 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

GG,

It would be really useful if you could comment on:

a) the current search quality

b) why so many searches result in a directory leading to another search.

c) the value of page rank

d) whether you think the Domainpark concept is good for the Internet, or just a sophisticated form of spam

e) whether Adsense is also a form of spam, but not as blatant as Domainpark

f) whether Google has sold out

:)

And this is really harsh :)

Is spam what only small people do in Google's eyes. Is massive interlinking of useless rubbish by huge concerns o.k.?

[edited by: Chelsea at 8:42 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2004]

Shak




msg:40168
 8:41 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Chelsea and co.

I think GG is currently busy looking at all the examples that have been requested in relation to the topic of this thread.

I am sure the rest can wait till another time and thread.

lets stick to the topic me thinks...

Shak

Chelsea




msg:40169
 8:45 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Shak,

with the greatest respect, no.

Google have had long enough to look at the serps.

Shak




msg:40170
 8:47 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

title of post: Same URL more than once in same keyword SERPS?

I rest my case...

Shak




msg:40171
 8:51 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

btw, is anyone confusing pages from the same domain with same subdomain.

so instead of example.com/page >>> page.example.com/page?

shak

Chelsea




msg:40172
 8:54 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Shak,

Fully understood - and with the greatest respect.

But GG chose to visit this thread - there are more questions than answers on these boards, and I had a few questions.

Best regards.

pavlin




msg:40173
 8:58 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

:-))
I'm not an idiot...
Besides, it's my site on the example I send, so I showd know it, I guess
:-))

I do not think it wold be a great harm if GG says "relax, it's not finished yet" or "panic, thats the new G out there". Of course I have been working in a big company too and I know that if I were GG I wouldn comment anything.

GoogleGuy




msg:40174
 9:07 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Okay, I got a report and the right person is looking at it now. Did anybody notice this happening before around Monday night? I'll post with additional info when I know more (probably later today).

Chelsea, when I said that the UK was the first place I've had corn on a pizza, I just relating an anecdote. I liked it! I've since recreated that recipe in my home many times. I like the UK a lot. Much of the good music and literature comes from there, too. :) So I'm sorry if my comment caused offense--it definitely wasn't meant that way when I typed it.

Anyway, I'll post more when I know more about urls repeating.

pavlin




msg:40175
 9:17 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK, so now we know that there are repeating URL's realy.
There is one more point in my example. One of the repeating URL's is the old one. When user visits h*tp://aaa.domain.com the server returns HTTP location header (in fact it is the PHP header () function) with the new address - [bbb.newdomain.com....]
While in the search results the old URL repeats several times, the new one doesn'r show up.
I have seen lot's of times that G is unable to handle the HTTP header redirects with the pages of my site that requre users registration. So is it a common problem or I'm missimg something?

Edit:

And one more point - the example query is "keyword". When I use the "keyword +www" query, the missing URL (the new one) is on N1 position!

[edited by: pavlin at 9:26 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2004]

Chelsea




msg:40176
 9:17 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

GG, I'm sorry if I seemed rude. But I think many people would simply like their on-target sites back from oblivion.

My widget site is genuinely about widgets!

There's no clever stuff, just content. And it used to rank highly.

What we can't understand is how something that used to rank highly can suddenly - hey, there's no point in finishing the sentence :)

We've followed the rules.

Best wishes

[edited by: Chelsea at 9:21 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2004]

jmac




msg:40177
 9:18 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Shak,

They are the same urls over and over.... I noticed these a long time ago, right after austin. Look back at some previous threads, people bring them up. Others have responded back about different datacenters, but this is not the case. I have examples that show the same 3 urls over and over from page 6 through 30+, 10 per page.

I know of plenty of threads about these repeating urls on other seo boards as well. Its pretty much a known fact that this is happening.

KeywordROI




msg:40178
 9:45 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

We saw that happening too. Things like domain.com and domain.com/index.html are common but domain.com coming twice is strange. Those you got the positive benefit like discussed above (Tripple traffic for 16 hours) may be good, but what is the reason of this happening?

mfishy




msg:40179
 10:32 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have been noticing this for at least a week. We have a page that comes up #8 and #11. Since this is a pretty lucrative term, I would rather not send you the example GG :)

Kelowna




msg:40180
 10:43 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have see this for month's with one of my sites. I always thought it was because of the different data centers serving up the info. I would type in the phrase and see my site on the first three pages of the results and it has been that way for many months.

The odd thing is that I have many sites but it was only this one that it happens to... it was odd but not worth complaining about by me anyways...

KeywordROI




msg:40181
 10:49 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree. Those of us who reap the benefit, do not ever like to disclose and nevertheless it's against the TOS of the forums here at webmasterworld to disclose URLs or even search terms AFAIK.

steveb




msg:40182
 11:09 pm on Feb 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

GG,

I sent you a report about this Tuesday night, and I think first posted about it here Monday night... as I recall I think I first noticed it though Sunday. I might have been Monday, I'm not sure.

The one I sent is a great example. One site shown 19 times, a different site shown five or six times.

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