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Questioning the currency of Google backlinks
Are they out of date?
Arnett

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Msg#: 21891 posted 5:40 pm on Oct 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

I did a review of a top rated sites' backlinks. Not just one,but several of the referring sites came up "not found". Their supposed pagerank is being factored into the pagerank and position of the target site though.

Just how current are the backlinks? My own pagerank dropped after Esmerelda. I have verified that the toolbar shows a PR of 4 or higher for pages with links to mine yet they don't show in the backlinks for my pages.

 

netnerd

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 21891 posted 10:07 pm on Oct 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have had LOTS of new links from high PR sites for about 3 weeks now, and they have not shown in my backlinks.

I only hope they have not been counted YET in the assessment of my ranking position!

Kirby

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Msg#: 21891 posted 10:13 pm on Oct 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

No, the question is "Does google count what they don't show?"

reuben101

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 21891 posted 5:12 am on Oct 15, 2003 (gmt 0)


Looks like their response was a little misleading as well. A quick trial of one of my sites using the
"Find the web pages that contain the term"

displayed only 10-15% of my known backlinks. True, they did say it would be "more comprehensive" than link:, but it is still rather disapointing. It does not display any text links unless they are the url itself. Searching out backlinks by each possible anchor keyword is a little bit time consuming.

Personally, I appreciate Google's desire to provide relevant results, but it seems like the results are getting worse. Denying us tools to build sites to Google's standards just doesn't make sense to me for many reasons.It may not be high priority to them, but I would suggest that keeping us webmonkeys happy is critical to thier business. I do have faith that this is just a growing pain and the future will be better :)

DerekH

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Msg#: 21891 posted 6:09 am on Oct 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

The Google team wrote
>>select the "Find the web pages that contain the term" link and Google will provide you with a list of web pages that mention your address. <<

I did : I searched for www.my-site.org.uk

I clicked on the link they suggest

I broke it....

It searched for
" www.my-site.or g.uk" - that insidious little space in the org making the search useless.

What a start to the day, eh?

DerekH

mrguy

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Msg#: 21891 posted 6:42 am on Oct 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

How is knowing how many backlinks you have in any way relevant to the average searcher?

What counts is where your at when that average searcher types in that all important keyword.

Yes, getting good anchor text links will get you there, but how does knowing exactly how many links you have help you. All you have to do is check where your at in the SERPS.

I think Google did the right thing by not showing up to date back link results. They are irrelevant to the average person using Google anyway.

[edited by: mrguy at 6:45 am (utc) on Oct. 15, 2003]

glengara

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Msg#: 21891 posted 6:43 am on Oct 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

With G it's often hard to tell whether they tripped or ducked ;-)

Arnett

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 21891 posted 4:30 am on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I appreciate Google's desire to provide relevant results, but it seems like the results are getting worse.

That's my point. It's been going on for months. If they are so concerned about search quality why isn't being addressed?

reuben101

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 21891 posted 4:53 am on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

but how does knowing exactly how many links you have help you.

It helps me know my status in the ever-changing, highly competitive world of Google ranking. They made the rules in order to provide relevant results and provided webmonkies a method to guage their progress. When the guage is broken but the value of the measurement has not been diminished you have to expect people to be concerned.

All you have to do is check where your at in the SERPS.

That's part of the problem. Many of us have seen our white hat, by the book sites drop from page one to page one hundred for no obvious reason and found spammy irrelevant sites replace sites that actually had original content.
One of the tools we use to figure out how this could be and to find and learn from our mistakes is the backlink feature -currently pretty useless.

Arnett

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 21891 posted 9:28 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

This kind of a long way to go about verifying your backlinks and since the google toolbar doesn't always return accurate PR it may be worthless but should help you plan your linking strategy.

Search Google for :

"http://yourdomain.com"

This will return the pages that have that text in them. Go through the pages and physically record the PR of the pages.

Search Google for :

"http://www.yourdomain.com"

This will return the pages that have that text in them. Go through the pages and physically record the PR of the pages.

Now it's decision making time. Which url do you want to maintain and what do you want for the anchor text. For your own pages go ahead and edit the links to contain the keyword that you are targeting in the SERPS. Then visit the pages on other sites that have a link to your site in them. Send them a very nice email thanking them for the link and,if you maintain a links section,offer to add a link to their site to your links page and ask them to change the text of your link to make the anchor text do what it should.

It can't hurt.

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