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Business' have dropped, info sites are up...
Business sites vs. Information sites - Have Google got new priorities?
Pricey




msg:193080
 3:38 pm on Feb 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I’ve been pulling my hair out since my site, like most other company sites, suddenly disappeared off the SERPS and I’ve been trying to find out how and why.

I’ve looked through so many posts with people saying their sites have gone down, many mixed theories and speculation. I was searching today on my key words, and noticed that the SERPS were completely un-relevant from a corporate point of view. Nearly every site in the top SERPs was not a company page, but a page with general info on that particular key word/phrase.

I search for Monkey widgets and I used to get a load of companies offering Monkey widgets for sale. Now, I get a whole load of informative web sites with news, articles and helpful information on Monkey widgets. This leads me to think that maybe Google have changed their priority to informative websites and have dropped corporate sites - maybe to encourage the use of AdWords? - I don't know but this is what it seems like to me.

Like I said, I have seen many theories as to why pages are being dropped, and so far this is the only constant I have found. Your comments on this would be greatly appreciated, as I have not seen anyone else mention this theory before.

 

landmark




msg:193140
 9:43 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

This info vs commerce split surely needs to take into account the type of search.

If I search for Britney Spears, I expect to find her official site, the most popular fan sites, maybe her record company, etc.

But if I search for something specific like Britney Spears posters, I expect (naively) to find sites that sell posters (what else could I expect?)

Now, when I do search for Britney Spears on Google, I get what I expected. But when I search for Britney Spears posters I get mostly content-free junk. Only 2 or 3 sites that actually sell Britney Spears posters.

So it seems to me that Google scores 5 out of 10 (could do better).

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:193141
 10:31 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am in the UK and as an experiment I just searched for "SEO" on Google. They themselves were at the top of the list. The rest of the list was populated by very spammy, keyword loaded SEO sites and foreign language stuff like "Sociedad Española de Ornitología". Of the top 50 results I got 23 in foreign languages, including several in Japanese!

GoogleGuy, if this is G's idea of dropping businesses in favour of information sites can we please have them in English. We all speak English in the UK, (in fact we invented it.)

Pricey




msg:193142
 12:27 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

If something new WAS being drawn up for businesses, then surely it would have been good practise to get this up and running before the new algo was put in place :(

Phil

Lorel




msg:193143
 3:09 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I manage 14+ sites and I always try to follow Google guidelines in the design of the sites.

3 of them, which are all business sites, had their hits increase drastically in last 3 months (2 of them doubled and 1 tripled) and over 50% of the traffic comes from Gooogle and/or Google partners. 2 of the sites contain lots of info. The only common denominator on all 3 sites is that they are constantly updated.

The other sites I manage, mostly commercial, I have tried repeatedly to get the owners to post more info on their products and they haven't and their sites are practically dead in the water.

So, from my own perspective, for a commercial site, it benefits from lots of info and continuous fresh content .

rfgdxm1




msg:193144
 12:43 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

>GoogleGuy, if this is G's idea of dropping businesses in favour of information sites can we please have them in English. We all speak English in the UK, (in fact we invented it.)

Perhaps you should learn how to use Google:

[google.ca...]

"Search only for pages written in these language(s):"

If you want just English language pages, then set your search preferences for that. And I presume there are more than a handful of folks in the UK who can read languages besides English.

mhildebr




msg:193145
 3:23 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a real estate website and now when I search for real estate in the local market only general non specific non local sites come up that provide almost no useful information. All the local competition including my site are no where to be found. I have heard that real estate was one of the sectors that was negatively impacted by the changes at Google. Has anyone heard this also?

BallochBD




msg:193146
 8:15 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

rfgdxm1 wrote ...
<If you want just English language pages, then set your search preferences for that. And I presume there are more than a handful of folks in the UK who can read languages besides English. >

Yes, and we would also be clever enough to conduct a search in these other languages if we wanted results in them. I note that the link you supplied was for Google Canada so perhaps you are Québécoise.

I was merely pointing out that I seem to be getting more results in foreign languages than I did in the past, which would be puzzling given Googles quest for better results.

Adieu :o]

UK_Web_Guy




msg:193147
 6:25 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I can't see it being in G's interests to drop business sites - after all it's people coming to Google looking for such sites that provide G with the $'s - why deter them?

BallochBD




msg:193148
 6:41 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

UKWebGuy
Businesses who have relied on Google SERPs for leads and sales still need Google until someone else takes over and I can't see that happening in the near future. If you have a business and you lose all your trade through being dropped by Google your only alternative may be Adwords. I would think that would make it in Google's interests.

Bearing in mind that they have more than three billion pages already and that they don't need massive amounts of new content right now, what do you think is in Google's best interests, 1000 unpaying, moaning webmasters or 10 sites paying for adwords?

rfgdxm1




msg:193149
 11:06 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

>rfgdxm1 wrote ...
<If you want just English language pages, then set your search preferences for that. And I presume there are more than a handful of folks in the UK who can read languages besides English. >

>Yes, and we would also be clever enough to conduct a search in these other languages if we wanted results in them.

Google doesn't serve up results where the search words aren't on the page, or in some cases inbound link text. Thus, if your searches are bringing up foreign language pages, those pages must match the terms. Easy solution: alter your preferences.

>I note that the link you supplied was for Google Canada so perhaps you are Québécoise.

Nope, I am a US national. I do know some French. I mostly use google.ca to see SERPs with 10 results per page. If I use google.com, I have preference on that set to 100 results per page.

>I was merely pointing out that I seem to be getting more results in foreign languages than I did in the past, which would be puzzling given Googles quest for better results.

I really don't see this being a material issue, as you can prevent this through altering preferences.

site_muda




msg:193150
 2:34 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

mhildebr,

I manage a real estate website and not much has changed. we have a mortgage website where a lot has changed. I don't think all of real estate was hit b/c some searches still produce the same people in the top 5 before Austin & Florida. I looked at those sites and they just have too much community information, local interests, things to do, cities...In summary a lot of info which likely means they may have 100's of pages of content. It's hurt the individual agents sites who specialize in one particular community or adjacent cities. ahh what the heck!, I see no real patterns. it's still a mixed bag of inconsistent results .

asinah




msg:193151
 5:19 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Interesting to see some of those postings about information site against corporate or business sites.

I am running a website for the past 18 months and we developed it from nothing to around 450,000 visitors per month.

It is purely an information site, based on content in 8 foreign languages with English as the default and we have around 4 million pages of good content of which around 150-200,000 are in the Google index.

I don't use SEO's at all and never follow those guidelines. My guideline is good content will always be on top of most google results.

I only follow searches performed by my users and many of the searches are very well targeted and those users book hotel rooms from us, buy products from Amazon (we have 2 xml feeds via AWS and we make some money out of that).

Visitors will always appreciate the content we give to them and support our site by buying products from our partner sites. (We don't sell anything ourself but take a cut from affiliates with sometimes on our own terms).

We also have adsense and make some money too out of it thanks to a large number of university students from some of the best universities around the world.

Without content we still would be somewhere around "Chasing the Dragon" as it is known in Asia and I would need a second job to support my wife and daughters). We update our sites daily and use were possible no database server. Since we have around 150,000 pages in Japanese, we have a very large number of Japanese users and as well Chinese, Indonesian, Malaysian and Thai users.

The internet is a global medium and English content is slowly decreasing against 4bit foreign languages.

We also have a large number of loyal users from the Middle East including the Gulf States and even countries like Iran as we also serve Arabic pages.

We do not manipulate data as some large portals would do on terms of self-censorship and on our site users come to visit to conduct research and find information that some other sites would not publish because of business interest.

Google is a good way to give us access to the userbase. Altavista and Teoma are also giving us access to the users. Inktomi and Alltheweb removed us from their index because they don't want to list thousands of links. msn indexed 1.2 million pages and I am sure 50-100,000 pages will be taken in their SE launch.

On my sites the users are always my revenue source and what amazed me sometimes is how easy they really execute purchases.

We have now also a loyal base of French, German, Dutch and Spanish users as we make this content available in their native language and revenue is coming as well in from those users.

Content and information will win or the corporate players have to diversify more in the content and information field if they want to stay around.

I have build in the past 9 years around 40 websites of which 30 were small to very large accounts.

Mostly are dead or just don't generate the traffic it needs to execute an order. Some of those sites generate 100 visitors a day which means if they are lucky they get one visitor that places an inquire or an order. When I make a search on google for a product I click many times on an Adsense to get what I want. When I look for researching some complex phrases I mostly get what I search for at Google, Temoa or Altavista.

The users will always rule the web and they want information and not corporate stuff.

A real estate agent somewhere in the States could build an information portal all around their county and list them exclusive for all real estate business in their county. They could clean up and rule their own market if they run an information portal.

If you feed the internet user with good content they will come and rent or buy a flat from your site.

BallochBD




msg:193152
 10:35 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Regarding results in foreign languages rfgdxm1 wrote ...

<I really don't see this being a material issue, as you can prevent this through altering preferences.>

I know that, you know that, but do the vast majority of Google user know that? I think not. I would be interested to know what percentage of Google users actually change preferences or for that matter even notice that they are there?

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