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5 small sites into 1 big one
BobbyN




msg:113278
 4:09 pm on Feb 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello WW

I presently fun 5 small sites on finance related topics, each site about 25 pages.

I now want to amalgamate them all into one larger site with the Theme concept.

All of the content from the 5 sites will be duplicated almost 100% on the new site (new url as well).

My question is this. What should I do with the old sites? Should I take the content down immediatly when the new site goes live and use a simple re-direct?

Should I run them paralel and link them all to the new site?

Should I run them for a month or so and then take them down? etc

Thanks

 

BobbyN




msg:113279
 1:00 pm on Feb 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Any ideas on this question folks?

Thanks

webdude




msg:113280
 1:10 pm on Feb 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

If it was me, and seeing how duplicated content may be frowned upon, I would tend to do a redirect. It is clean and I have used it with success in the past.

karmov




msg:113281
 4:36 pm on Feb 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ya, I've already absorbded a smaller site into a bigger one and the way to do it is with 301 redirects. Makes everyone happy, old users with bookmarks, SEs, etc...

BobbyN




msg:113282
 5:05 pm on Feb 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks boys for the comments.

Very helpfull

PatrickDeese




msg:113283
 5:23 pm on Feb 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

FWIW - Google sucks at duplicate content detection.

Use CSS in one site and standard <table> and <font> tags in the other site and you are good to go.

BobbyN




msg:113284
 9:56 pm on Feb 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

That's interesting Patrick. But would you link the sites together.

For example if I have 4 sites, A,B,C,D, I create a new site E which has all the content of A,B,C,D PLUS a fair amount of new content.

Would you put a link up to the new site E from the other 4, or don't push it too much?

PatrickDeese




msg:113285
 11:42 pm on Feb 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

> good to go

I forgot to add - unless a competitor reports you. Pretty much depends how competitive your SERPs are.

> don't push it too much

Don't push it.

Let links build naturally. If you are listed in a directory like DMOZ or Y!, don't request that this site be added, unless it has a huge number of sites in it.

If you are being especially sneaky, be sure to yse different hosting, whois, etc.

Need3lives




msg:113286
 12:00 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good question - I am in the same boat, and have been planning something similar.

Would love to hear more opinions on this.

BobbyN




msg:113287
 10:16 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Need

I just got a sticky from someone who said they 301 their old sites and it worked perfectly with G, the spider came and indexed all the new site.

I think this is the way to go, just keep it simple.

experienced




msg:113288
 10:55 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi,

301 redirection is good to search engine point of view also. But cud you pls tell me one think here.
I have a site www.abc.com, and now i am planning to shift the same site with 50% different content on the new domain. I can have a server redirection 301 for old site to the new one, but is there any problem if both the sites are hosted on the same server..? Or should i need to chane the server for new one..?

Thanks
Exp...

webdude




msg:113289
 11:05 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is there a reason why you would want to break to 2 sites. I can see doing this if the content and context was different, but I am not sure breaking into multiple domains for like type sites would gain you anything from Gs point of view.

In fact, I had a client who had one site that was broke into over 10 domains that I ended up combining into one. All had similar content about one subject. The client thought he was being sneaky by registering keywordkeyword.com type domains and then registering the different domains to different search engines and directories. What a headache to straighten out the mess.

He could never figure out how come his site never got a PR above 1. I combined all the sites into 1 site that was much richer in content, add some external linking, yada yada yada. Result? A PR of 6 and a great improvement in the SERPs.

experienced




msg:113290
 11:33 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

see the old site is got dammage into the new florida update and vanished from the google. NOw am planning to shift the site on the new domain with the different content upto 50%. Old site will be deleted and create a redirection for the new one.

What do you suggest..
Thanks
Exp..

experienced




msg:113291
 11:38 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sorry I did not answer your question.

PR is like a standard provided by google to each and every page on the web. I think if your sites doesn't have good pr or have 1 or 2, i think you must not worry about it. As you have good content and external links from the various sites hosted on various server, definitely in the coming time pr is going to be increase. BOL :)
Thanks
EXP...

webdude




msg:113292
 11:54 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was not suggesting that PR is a good indicator of ranking. What I was suggesting is that his site never increased above a PR1 and he was returning at about the 600's in the SERPS. After combining the sites and doing some redirects, PR went to 6 and now he is on the first page for most of his phrases.

I agree with you about PR. I have several sites on page 1 that have a PR of either 4 or 5 with other sites that have PRs of 6 or 7 listed below us.

UK_Web_Guy




msg:113293
 6:36 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

BobbyN

What benefit do you think will be achieved my this?

I'm in a similar position to you so am just curious

BobbyN




msg:113294
 11:49 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

4 advantages

1. Bigger sites seem to be doing a lot better than smaller ones.

2. I think my bigger site will be more of a theme site rather than a one topic site.

3. I use GoLive and have only been using about 25% of its potential. It has very powerful site maintanance capabilities and therefore I think it will be easier and simpler for me to look after one bigger site rather than say 5 smaller ones.

4. Cross selling will be easier I think because if the surfer wants to look at a different product he won't have to click out of the site into another one.

egomaniac




msg:113295
 10:15 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

BobbyN,

301 redirects will certainly work. I have done that in the past for a couple of pages I had to kill due to duplicate content.

Here's another idea. Put the content on the new larger site as planned. But keep the old sites up with summarized content on each page with a link pointing to the full content articel on the big theme site. Assuming your small sites have articles or something like that, you could summarize the article, or just use the first paragraph or two and end the page with a link to the full article on the larger theme site.

This way, you would have a bunch of satellite sites pointing to the larger themed "sun" site in the center of your own web "solar-system". Doing this would require little extra work, would instantly double the number of pages you have out there, would increase the PR of the pages in the theme site, and would give your links with great anchor text coming from related sites into your theme domain. Oh, and you won't get a duplicate penalty because only 10-25% of each page is being duplicated.

Don't do massive cross-linking. Just link from each article summary on the mini-site to the full article page on the theme-site.

-egomaniac

BobbyN




msg:113296
 11:57 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ego, that's a very good idea, thanks a lot.

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