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free hosting sites banned from google?
angelfire's free sites disappeared
george123




msg:44078
 3:46 am on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had 3 sites pr 5 free at angelfire both listed in ODP and all have disappeared from google,i made a check at
[google.com...]
see for your selfs the results.

[edited by: ciml at 10:42 am (utc) on Jan. 31, 2004]
[edit reason] Fixed URL [/edit]

 

anallawalla




msg:44079
 12:51 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Geocities sites are still visible. Unless they are all 1-page sites, the first 100 show one page per site. There's even a guestbook with PR6.

Jakpot




msg:44080
 3:42 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

All my sites from Lycos (Tripod, Angelfire) are not
in the Google index (not cached) but are showing on the Google toolbar with pageranks of 4 or better.
Previously had good positions in the SERPs and lots of traffic.

I have written help@google.com and
webmaster@google but they have not answered.

Wrote Lycos Customer Relations and they responded that they understand the situation and I
would be better served by directing my attention to Google.

I then emailed Invester Relations with Lycos and stated Lycos may have some invester dissatisfaction if
the problem with Google is not resolved.
All web sites from Tripod and Angelfire have been dropped from the Google index and Lycos will certainly
lose revenue from their ads on the pages.
As yet no response from Invester Relations At Lycos.

I am wondering if Lycos has recently
reconfigured a DNS server that inadvertently blocked Googlebot.

Of Course Google may be filtering these Lycos sites.

Is there anyone who can be contacted to look into this problem?

PatrickDeese




msg:44081
 4:52 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Maybe they banned the GoogleBot like Godaddy Hosting did a few months ago?

LogicMan




msg:44082
 5:10 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I must be missing why the concern.

If the web site is so so important why not have a 'real' web site name, like www.mysite.com

Registration and hosting is so very cheap these days, if it is more than a 'hobby' why not have a professional sounding site name.

I personally do not think I'd buy or depend on information on a geocities, aol hometown, etc. site and I believe that would go for many others.

Powdork




msg:44083
 5:22 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I personally do not think I'd buy or depend on information on a geocities, aol hometown, etc. site and I believe that would go for many others.
There is plenty of good, fun, useful stuff on the web that is neither dependable or believable. Now some of it is not searchable either.
I didn't follow the godaddy thing much, did the godaddy site also disappear, or just to godaddy hosted sites.

Marcia




msg:44084
 5:48 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

It was just some GoDaddy hosted sites, nothing to do with registration. It was resolved.

It's not impossible. As of a few years ago all Hypermart sites were excluded from Alta Vista, and I believe at one time Freeservers sites were also. Also, at one time iVillage hosted sites were excluded from the index.

That was because of abuses coming from the IP number they were all hosted on. I'm not saying this is the case here, but it has happened with search engines and if it is the case there's nothing that can be done.

For one thing, there could be a lot of automated mass submissions and in the case of Google that violates the TOS. So while I don't know, it's not impossible that that could be the case.

seofreak




msg:44085
 6:24 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Registration and hosting is so very cheap these days, if it is more than a 'hobby' why not have a professional sounding site name.

I personally do not think I'd buy or depend on information on a geocities, aol hometown, etc. site and I believe that would go for many others.

Ironically, if hosting and domain have become cheap .. they also cannot be trusted. With domains you are always going to come in face of www.full-words-abuse.com .. which is not the same with free sites. I have always found free sites listed in ODP trustworthy.

Jakpot




msg:44086
 8:22 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

That was because of abuses coming from the IP number they were all hosted on.

Lots of folk are indicating in various forums they have lost their Lycos (Tripod,Angelfire) sites.

Out of 150 web pages I still have 4 Tripod and 3 Angelfire listed in google. The others have a PR but no cache. (I probably shouldn't mention it)

Could this be either an algorithn glitch or a filter or something else?

Google will not respond. I don't know whether to switch web page hosts or to wait and see if Google corrects this.

cbpayne




msg:44087
 9:05 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have just checked the rankings of two Lycos sites that I know - they still rank where they were pre update.

george123




msg:44088
 9:55 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)
My tripod sites and lycos.co.uk sites are there with high PR and high possition ,only the angelfire ones are gone,funny isn't it?
div01




msg:44089
 10:09 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Bummer.

GoogleGuy




msg:44090
 10:54 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

A crawl person checked into it. Looks like some redirects on their site interacted badly with us trying to choose a canonical site between www.angelfire.com and www.angelfire.lycos.com. I believe that the crawl person is pushing a change that will help with this as we speak. The change will go into affect starting with the next googlebot crawl; those angelfire pages should start showing up over the next several days and be back to full indexed strength pretty soon thereafter.

Jakpot




msg:44091
 11:16 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

those angelfire pages should start showing up over the next several days and be back to full indexed strength pretty soon thereafter.

Thanks GoogleGuy:
Will Tripod sites also be back up? Both my Tripod and Angelfire sites are gone.

GoogleGuy




msg:44092
 11:21 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'll be happy to check. What are the patterns? Is it example.tripod.com or example.tripod.lycos.com, or www.tripod.lycos.com/~example, or something else?

cbpayne




msg:44093
 11:28 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not sure if this helps, but the two sites that I know that are still ranking ok are:
www.angelfire.com/on/widget/
[widgets.tripod.com...]

Jakpot




msg:44094
 12:48 am on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'll be happy to check. What are the patterns? Is it example.tripod.com or example.tripod.lycos.com, or www.tripod.lycos.com/~example, or something else?

GoogleGuy:
[members.tripod.com...]
Thanks

cbpayne




msg:44095
 1:07 am on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

http://members.tripod.com

That not what I am seeing - I see one eg of tripod site in this format ranking well.

Jakpot




msg:44096
 1:30 am on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

That not what I am seeing - I see one eg of tripod site in this format ranking well.

Should be many thousands more when you do allinurl.
GG nailed the problem for angelfire. Tripod and Angelfire are both part of Lycos. The same problem probably applies to Tripod.
Awaiting GG's looksee.
Thanks

cbpayne




msg:44097
 2:49 am on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't know much about Lycos, but is the difference between what you and I are seeing due to a paid vs free version of the site?

GoogleGuy




msg:44098
 4:41 am on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Email is off now; I'll let you know if I hear back, Jakpot.

GoogleGuy




msg:44099
 8:42 am on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Heard back from the crawl person and they're going to check on tripod urls for any redirect/canonicalization problems too. It's on their radar now, so it might take several days for any urls to start re-entering the database, but they're on their way. Thanks for mentioning this.

Sleepy sleepy GoogleGuy needs to go... to.. bedddd..
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
okay, maybe hop around to one more Springsteen song, but then sleeeeep...

Jakpot




msg:44100
 1:44 pm on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Many thanks GoogleGuy sleep well. I haven't lately.

george123




msg:44101
 10:30 pm on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

thanks God GG that i start this topic

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