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Update Austin - January 24, 2004
on DC:

 5:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

DC: [] Major Shuffle, looking worse then ever, results look very bad, anyone seeing this?



 6:26 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

omigosh, it sure does look different - way different! For Google's sake, I hope it's just an experiment and doesn't go live like that.


 6:31 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

SERPs for my KW almost remain constant though some sites have interchanged places.


 6:35 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yep looks like a major update for other KWs but.


 7:30 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

It looks like an extension of the Florida algo to numerous more terms. Some folks will get richer, some more will go down the tubes.

I suspect Google will roll this out. It looks like it is right inline with their current strategy.

This will not be good for Google long-term. They have now become the radical SE that shows results so far removed from all other major SE's that their credibility is at issue.

It should be good for SEO's though, they seem to be playing right into our hands.....the mind boggles;)


 8:33 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

If by "junk" people mean articles on slate.msn.com or major newspapers, yes that lightweightish stuff is still there.

But for me "junk" is lightweight pseudo-domains, redirects and other worthless no-content trash. These are simply terrific results. Redirects, gone. High quality topical content from niche sites, ranking much better than ever. True, some of these should still do better and the minor-relevance sites like the newspaper articles should go down.

I've had two pages sent to nowhere (#3 to #31, and #7 to #431) for prime keywords that certainly didn't deserve it, so I'm not doing a jigg here or anything, but it is simply terrific to see so much garbage gone from competitive areas.


 8:37 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>High quality topical content from niche sites, ranking much better than ever.

steveb, if what you're looking for and at is information, try feeling shoppy and see what you find. ;)


 8:41 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

That may be Marcia.

Also... hold your horses here. This minute the results changed significantly. So we may be looking at different things... like different datacenters.


Added... at first glance they are changed, but the results seem similar to what they were a few minutes ago. Spam still gone, but rankings different.


Added again... and now I bounced back to the results of several minutes ago. Whatever is, it seems to be being fed by different datacenters.

[edited by: steveb at 8:45 am (utc) on Jan. 24, 2004]


 8:56 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Definitely major changes, and i like it :)


 9:00 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

intresting, some of my sites that were dropped for no reason in florida are back to normal however those sites that survived florida have now been hit.

Seems like they turned the algo the other way around.

I wouldn't be surprised that more data has yet to be put into these results but I would give it a luke warm response.

Links have not been updated but one thing is for sure Googles idea of relavent results is a strange one I mean they have changed so much in the last few months, you would have thought that search results would only change slightly.

Googles idea of a relavent site seems to change dramatically every month.

What was 1st one day in googles eyes is now last and so on
and then back to 1st again, and the site hasn't been updated!

I also have to say that the results do seem to be far different then other search engines, still think they have one too many filters.

We will just have to wait and see.



 9:05 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Some of my sites seem to be hit hard on these serps - dont really know why.

Lets hope their are a few more ingredients to be added.

Far to many results for my likely are being returned from major news websites that only have a passing mention of the search term.


 9:05 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)


For the term that I was dropped for in November I'm back in at #3 then I hit reload and I'm down at 72, reload again and nowhere.

Some of my 3 word term SERPs have been taken over by harvested directories full of affiliate ads, the main serious players in these micro niches are dropped. It looks to me like they've extended the algo change into related searches.

I'm noticing something in the HTML around the search terms that is consistent in the top 10 of my SERPs. I copied this error onto my index page and that's the one cached for my #3 result. Might be just a coincidence.

Best wishes



 9:09 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just found one nest of redirects, like 40 of the top 50 results (typed in two variations of one keyword that normally aren't found next to each other), so they aren't completely gone. But still, several virulent nests of redirects I noticed before are gone now.


 9:20 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looking excellent, excellent, excellent in our industry so far. But if it's a bit fluid I'll check again later today or tomorrow. Some spammy sites still in though :-(


 9:21 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Do you mean people who steal search pages for bot food?

Yup. Additionally there were pages that showed one result in the cache and another after you clicked. The search phrases I was looking at were relatively small potatoes. I'm assuming there was some automation to it.


 9:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey guys remember GoogleGuy said that the DNS has been taken away so i expect they have realised that SERP's are not as good as they normally are.

I would imagine that this is going to be one hell of a rollercoaster test site.

I wouldn't be surprised that the results are going to swing all over the place and are doing this so that Jo public does not get to see it in the main index.

I welcome the fact that they have switched the DNS off and that they are working on it. This shows on going work, and testing of filters etc.

Think we all need to take this with a pinch of salt for the time being.



 9:23 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

i type large green widgets i get sites that sell green widgets but nothing to do with large

i type green widgets i get sites that sell green widgets but totally different from the first group and more ontopic for large...

whats google doing? the more words you use the less chnace it decides all those words would appear together so ignores the pages where it does cause they must have been put together by us....you think the Russians have taken over and google and are slowly destroying the western world...?


 9:26 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

You're right about the root domain thing. I seem to be the only one on my top two SERPs as well.

I lost two big ones - synonyms to my main keywords. Completely dropped from the SERPs, but my main ones (which represent significantly more traffic) have me moved up.

I don't know how you guys dealt with Florida. I just had a heart attack in the last 20 minutes trying to figure out what the heck happened to all my hard work over the past month. Overall, I got hurt, but thankfully, hurt in my lower traffic keywords.

Robert Charlton

 9:27 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, I don't know whether the results are changing as I look at them, or I just looked at the worst searches first. Looks a lot better at the moment. I resolved not to watch the last one, but I did... and I fear that morbid curiosity may keep me glued to my browser this time around too.


 9:29 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've done some more late night checking on a lot of sites and pages and we're way up across the board. A lot of chronic spam has vanished. I am only speaking of our business areas, have not looked at anything else yet. Needless to say I'm not complaining.


 9:29 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Uhm, i feel sorry for those who suffer but if this index goes to google.com, my traffic will increase at least by 100%! :)

What seems to work at this DC is:

- search for widgets and find mostly non-shopping sites.
- search for buy+widgets or widgets+prices and you'll find the places to shop for widgets.

I can live with this and i truly think that this is a major improvement (however they did this). At least in my field(s). Other fields might be totally different.


 9:32 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

One thing though. One of my competitors has a web designer who's a huge hidden text user. I've followed all the links from his web design site and it's a pretty big problem on all of them. Hidden text, repeated text, keyword stuffing. They seem to have survived this update. Bunch of crap.

To top it all off, the web designer put together a "directory" (which of course highlights my competitor all over the place), and is charging 300-1000 bucks for placement. The directory is nothing but spam and ads all over the place and while I have a site full of content, they're still ranking above me. But anyway's, I'm just moaning now. I'm sure others have more to complain about than I do.


 9:36 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just tried the 'buy + widget' search for the main keywords in one of my areas. Nothing but ebay results.

I really wish that I hadn't looked at this message board this morning.

(here's hoping that this is just an experimental site)


 9:44 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)


I just looked at the cache of a website I completely overhauled two weeks ago.
The old version was there again - although I had seen several updates of the new version already!
To check, I looked at the cache of a forum - the "current date" cached was January 10!
I visited the cache for my forum yesterday and it was absolutely up to date.
Is Google using old data (at least at some of the data centers)?



 9:45 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is very good overall, but I am seeing some obvious illogical errors.

For example, I have a page that comes in #15 for: word1 word2 word4
For the more specific: word1 word2 word3 word4 it drops into the hundreds

None of the 14 sites above it are relevant to word3, and this pages topic is the four words. Similarly, if a fifth word was exchanged for word1, the same thing happens. But if you include all four words, it ranks #1.

Hopefully these things will mostly correct themselves after the next fresh update like after Florida.


 9:45 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Alas I dont think its just experimental. I get the results on the main pages google.co.uk and google.de.



 10:08 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Netscape.com seems to be showing the post-update results.

Google.com (whichever data center I would be connecting to from CA) shows the same results as yesterday. I think it's just a matter of time before things are updated accross the board.


 10:21 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Oh my god, I am going to have to sell my house.

This truly is a disaster.
Google have to be stopped.


 10:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wish I'd stayed in bed!


 10:23 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well with the advent of Yahoo rolling out a new system lets hope we can diversify a bit as it was getting a bit silly relying on just the big G.

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