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Update Austin Part 2
moftary

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Msg#: 21518 posted 11:04 pm on Jan 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My new website PR was raised from PR1 to PR5 in the last PR update, still I haven't noticed any improvement in serps!

Does it take time for serps to improve or I should lose hope?

Does it worth it to achieve PR5, PR6 or PR7 when people find you in serps by a five words keyword?

Who said that websites that have PR4 get around 300 hit/day and PR6 websites get around 3000 hit/day and so on?

Hoax! My PR5 website barely gets 100 hit/day while another PR5 website gets 17000 hit/day!

And yes, I am very newbie regarding SEO world if you were wondering.

--mOftary

 

steveb

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Msg#: 21518 posted 6:10 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The repeated results are obviously a sign that Google isn't "done" with the Austin aspect of their move/process to a new algorithm. And after Austin there will be Beaumont and Corpus Christi adjustments that will also have some oddball weirdness.

A year from now, I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that people will be able to look back Churchill-like and see this as Google's finest hour. All the other search engines currently lay defeated by nazispam, while Google is laboring hard and uncomfortably to defeat it.

NovaW

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Msg#: 21518 posted 6:20 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

very strange update, site in the top 10 for 12 months suddenly on page 5. But, that's life - just got to wait and see. I thought about emailing to see if there was some kind of penalty but what's the point. Just got to roll with it.

There's a lot of posts where people are (understandably) upset - but I think it goes too far in the "i'm thru with Google stuff"

All Google is trying to do is make a better search engine day by day for searchers. I can respect that even if it hurts a bit right now.

giggle

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Msg#: 21518 posted 6:26 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think that you're probably right NovaW but if they're still developing their algo then they could have tested it more before releasing it to the wild.

tigger

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Msg#: 21518 posted 6:31 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

agree with giggle

phish

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Msg#: 21518 posted 6:47 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

maybe this is just a form of entertainment at the plex <shrug>

nevetS

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Msg#: 21518 posted 8:48 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Strange. I just checked google.de and I'm ranked #1 for my desired keyword phrase. In google.com I'm not even ranked.

Is this a sign of things returning to normal for me? Or is it a sign that I'm soon going to be shut down on google.de as well?

Or... Will there be inconsistencies in between these data centers permanently?

Is it over? Is it not over? I'm going nuts here. I've got a higher pagerank, higher (but not over the top) keyword density, title mention of my keyword phrase, header mention, more (all related) inbound links, anchor text, and even 1 bold mention of my keyword phrase. I'm not even in the SERPs. The current top 10 hardly mention my keyword phrase, one isn't related at all (just a company that uses me as a vendor and has a link to my site).

staatz

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Msg#: 21518 posted 8:49 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

does anyone have probs with framesets too?

all my framepages r gone, but only them?!

BallochBD

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Msg#: 21518 posted 9:04 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Maybe we should be looking at the big picture and asking if Google are doing the right thing by trying to "improve", "refine", "filter", call it what you like. What are they really trying to achieve? I seem to remember that part of the fun of searching for something on the Internet was the fact that you were prepared to find stuff that was not totally relevant.

The American Heritage Dictionary defines "surfing" as "The activity of casually looking at something that offers numerous options, such as the Internet or television."

No matter what search engine I use I have always been ready to accept that when I am looking for something I may not find it with the first word or words that I type into the search window. This was in fact part of the fun of using the Internet and I was quite happy with this situation because ultimately I would find what I wanted, (assuming that it was there, of course.)

I am talking here about the time before I got into this business myself. Cast your mind back seven or eight years. In that halcyon era I quickly became aware that if I was looking for a hotel in a small village in Outer Jibrovia I would be unlikely to find it by searching for "hotel". I realised that this applied to all searches and I became proficient at this without anyone telling me how.

Fast forward now to one year ago ...

How many people were having a real problem finding what they wanted on Google?
How many people did you hear complaining that Google was cr@p?
How many people did you hear talking about changing from Google to other search engines?

In other words if it ain't broke don't fix it! Ladies and Gentlemen I rest my case for the prosecution.

BallochBD

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Msg#: 21518 posted 9:08 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

nevetS wrote: <The current top 10 hardly mention my keyword phrase, one isn't related at all (just a company that uses me as a vendor and has a link to my site).>

nevetS I am also seeing this!?!

Surely on any search they should be displaying the results from the sites that have the content, not those that have links to them?

LateNight

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Msg#: 21518 posted 9:15 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>>returning to normal for me? Or is it a sign that I'm soon going to be shut down on google.de as well<<<<<<<

I think the Google serps seen in foreign languages is something realted to different languages not being hit by Google's science experiment. I will bet you will slowly see the madness spread language by language to be worldwide. French, Spanish, German....will be next on the chopping block.

jmac

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Msg#: 21518 posted 9:22 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Also seeing this. A site that only has our keywords mentioned once, within a link (our link) is showing up in the search results. We are totally gone.

This site that links to us is not really about the keywords searched for, just had a nice link to us.

I am seeing this all over the place. Off-topic sites with a link or two to on-topic sites being listed higher than the site that was linked to.

Something is way off here. Possibly too much weight is now given to backlinks and PR, and not enough to on-topic pages? Who knows.

What I do know, is that there is no way that a site should not show up in the results when the site is about exactly what the user searches for... meanwhile sites with the word mentioned in one place on a page are listed.

steveb

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Msg#: 21518 posted 9:40 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you were to draw a conclusion based on this one phenomenon (and I wouldn't) it would be: "Linking to other sites on the topic is very beneficial now."

KoDe_GuRu

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Msg#: 21518 posted 9:43 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

If there was as much effort in seo'ing your site for other se's other than google as there is bickering over the dropped serp's - or you put half this much time into really thinking about G's new algo - you'd all have nothing to complain about..

Yes, I lost serp's in florida, but it took far less than this to see what was going on. Now, through austin all of my sites in all of the different industries are top 10's. I think alot of you know the new algo, and your simply posting to confuse the 'competition', which really just makes a mess of this board. At the same time, if you are doing that, then maybe there was no point of my post in the first place? :/

frances

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Msg#: 21518 posted 10:13 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

staatz

framesets, framed pages, not in themselves a special austin-related problem in my experience

BallochBD

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Msg#: 21518 posted 10:13 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

KoDe_GuRu I would not be so complacent if I were you. I note that, like me, you joined the forum in November - any significance in this?

I also thought I had the algo cracked and after losing my number one position with Florida I got back there in December for three weeks until early in the new year. My site then bombed again and with Austin it has been dropped from the index. I am an engineering/IT consultant - not an ecommerce site. I must now admit that I don't know what my next move will be. What I do know is that if I can't get back into Google (while they are still number one!) my business is doomed.

If you can offer me any advice please sticky me :>)

nevetS

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Msg#: 21518 posted 10:38 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK, I'm thoroughly confused here now.

I'm now ranking for widgets, but not 2p widgets.

I specialize in 2p widgets, and frankly if someone is looking for widgets, 80 percent of the time they won't be looking for my web site.

The thing that really gets me is that only one of the top 10 serps for 2p widgets actually has the phrase 2p widgets anywhere in it. The only one that does is a blog and it's a statement saying hey - we're going to get a 2p widget next wednesday.

Now all of these highly ranking sites that mention widgets should be ranked just under the keyword widgets, and I should be ranking under the keyword 2p widgets, but for some reason its backwards.

I can understand for some of my targeted terms that other sites get sucked to the top while my ranking disappears, but for me to drop completely and none of the top 10 even emphasizes the phrase in the very least really chaps my hide. How are people supposed to find 2p widgets? There are only 73 results if you surround it by quotes. Shouldn't I at least be in the top 73? grumble grumble grumble.

soapystar

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Msg#: 21518 posted 11:08 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

right..its backwards...you hit the nail on the head..like my UK hosted and targetted site..only of use to UK residents.....dropped from the UK index and number two in every other country specific google site....

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 21518 posted 11:09 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think that you're probably right NovaW but if they're still developing their algo then they could have tested it more before releasing it to the wild.

I bet they did, and I bet for 99% of consumer searches it's very very good as far as that consumer is concerned.

TJ

tigger

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Msg#: 21518 posted 11:38 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>I bet they did, and I bet for 99% of consumer searches it's very very good as far as that consumer is concerned.

I don't except that, it's showing results that are useless, I've just checked as I do every morning and from 20 sites with different sets of keywords only one set of SEPRs is relevant all the others are either showing directories or ebay

scan

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Msg#: 21518 posted 11:54 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Strange. I just checked google.de and I'm ranked #1 for my desired keyword phrase. In google.com I'm not even ranked. Is this a sign of things returning to normal for me? Or is it a sign that I'm soon going to be shut down on google.de as well?

Well it seems that the results on google.de are spreading to other non-english googles. At the moment google.it is in line with google.de which (according to previous posts) was not the case earlier.

subway

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Msg#: 21518 posted 12:27 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I bet they did, and I bet for 99% of consumer searches it's very very good as far as that consumer is concerned.

I disagree as well. The whole "Google knows best" argument is wearing really thin. Even the giants make the most unexpected mistakes. I agree that a lot of people won't notice the downgrade in SERP quality immediately, but they are slowly.

Chelsea



 
Msg#: 21518 posted 12:31 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The whole "Google knows best" argument is wearing really thin

Agreed - particularly given the case of sites that now perform very badly on G, but extremely well on all other engines, including the more sophisticated ones. Simple analysis would seem to suggest it is Google that has the problems, not the site.

afterburner

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Msg#: 21518 posted 2:08 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have noticed a lot of .org sites in the top 10 and they are almost all off topic?

Chelsea



 
Msg#: 21518 posted 2:14 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

If so it's a bit short sighted, as webmasters might simply start buying .orgs

cr3ative

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Msg#: 21518 posted 6:36 am on Jan 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Over night the sites offering accommodation in bucharest just dissapeared from the front page.
sites offering accommodation in bucharest
were on the first page with search strings like
bucharest apartments, accommodation bucharest,
and now all that is related to bucharest is gone.

Some of them still appear with strings related
to romania like: accommodation in romania,
apartments romania.

I do not understand why for bucharest they were removed since i believe that this are the most signifiant sites related to those query strings.

It is possible that google wants those sites to fight for the AddWords section? I will really appreciate any advice (i am webmaster for one of those sites :)
Some of them have some hidden keywords as i saw but if they were blacklisted it should been totally not only for the bucharest related queries. This is not the reason since some other sites have the same hidden keywords and they appear on the first page with bucharest apartments. (the only difference is that the keywords are framed).

Best regards

[edited by: cr3ative at 6:51 am (utc) on Jan. 28, 2004]

cr3ative

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Msg#: 21518 posted 6:53 am on Jan 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

We first noticed this change on 24-25 January 2004. I dont believe is an alg change because all the other search strings show the same results as in the past.
Only the strings containing bucharest keyword show new results.

ThomasB

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Msg#: 21518 posted 11:21 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have the same problem for some sites, so you're not alone. Don't worry and try to add good content and get quality backlinks instead.

glengara

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Msg#: 21518 posted 11:50 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Matter of interest Cr3ative, are your incoming links more relevant to Romania or Bucharest?

John_Caius

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Msg#: 21518 posted 12:29 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

A week or so ago, a search engine front page was ranking in the top ten for another competitive travel search.

Would be interesting to know whether the level of concern at the Googleplex about the current results is A: unconcerned, B: mildly concerned, C: highly concerned and doing something about it. The weeks and months seem to drag by...

valeyard

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Msg#: 21518 posted 12:35 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Brilliant absolutly brilliant!

Webmaster World is now 10th For the keyword bucharest apartments

ROFL! I hope GG is reading this. More importantly I hope he shows it to some of the Powers That Be.

Incidentally, number 15 for that same search is currently an SEO who mentions in passing one of their clients.

I think this gives lie to the "authority" theories we've been building. Similarly "on topic links" doesn't seem to hold water.

It does suggest to me that Google is now simply ignoring Title and Hx tags etc. They are relying almost totally on (bad) semantic analysis of the text.

So Google has decided that this page on WW is about Bucharest and nothing anyone can do will change its mind.

The whole point of Title and Hx tags is to clarify the meaning of the content. Yes they can be abused but to simply ignore them is dumb, dumb, dumb.

Chelsea



 
Msg#: 21518 posted 12:41 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Useful tool for determining authority sites - put the words B*charest Ap*rtments on your site and see if it ranks :)

Only kidding ;) - please don't do this as it will mess up the guy's SERPs even more

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