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Goggle Results Switching on WWW
Changing from minute to minute
golfnut




msg:133834
 3:15 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

After two months of being slammed by Florida, I checked our keyword on Google (www) and we were back to pre-Florida position. Checked it again twwo minutes later and the old results are back. WWW2 and WWW3 results are the old post Florida results. Any insight as to what may be going on?

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:133835
 3:50 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yep, there is some fluxing going on.

pesenti




msg:133836
 4:56 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

The switching seems to be based on cookies
(I get different results everytime I reload with Firebird but not with IE...).

gerwin




msg:133837
 5:28 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I thought that Google was not monthly dancing anymore? But I seems that I was wrong. :)

Marcia




msg:133838
 5:31 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google at Yahoo is fairly current, and some pages that were missing are showing up again at Yahoo but not at Google yet.

canuck




msg:133839
 5:31 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Seems to be some loosening of the algo... a site of mine that bombed post-Florida is now nearing pre-Florida.

Site wasn't a black-hat site, however, that all depends on your def'n...

(Site traffic up 50-60% today...)

Hissingsid




msg:133840
 9:55 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Take a read of this thread [webmasterworld.com...] GoogleGuy has something to say on datacentres.

Rather than relaxing the algo I think <dream on> they have been removing bugs and now they have finally found the big one and this needs a major re-indexing to get the SERPs right. <dream ends>

Hopefully this is one of those dreams where you wake up and find that it becomes reallity.

Best wishes

Sid

GodLikeLotus




msg:133841
 10:41 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

From where we are in the UK, if we search on google.com then use Anonymizer and google.com, one thing keeps happening. The results using Anonymizer are always greater than just normal google.com , most have around 30% more results.

sem4u




msg:133842
 10:51 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Something interesting seems to be happening on www2. Froogle results coming in at the top for some phrases.

golfnut




msg:133843
 11:02 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sid,

I am afraid that you are right. I woke up this morning hoping to see pre-florida results at least sometimes. Everything appears to be back to post-florida results and www, www2, and www3 all showing same results. I sooo wanted it to be a good dream. But the nightmare has returned! :-(

As Bret said, it must have been been some flux.

Hissingsid




msg:133844
 11:10 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

From where we are in the UK, if we search on google.com then use Anonymizer and google.com, one thing keeps happening. The results using Anonymizer are always greater than just normal google.com , most have around 30% more results.

Hi,

I use a US based service that checks 10 search engines and produces a spread sheet of sites with the most top 10 results. You probably know the site I mean.

This morning on that my dropped page reappeared at #6 for Google, Yahoo and other Google based SEs. When I tried to get that result directly on Google I couldn't reproduce it on any of the DCs.

I use another Dutch base cgi that checks all of the DCs at once, or as may as you like. Today I can only get results from www www2 www3 www-cw and www-ex.

I'm keeping everything crossed that Bruce's cgi that picked up the #6 result was just lucky and caught one of the other DCs online with what I would consider to be better results.

Best wishes

Sid

Receptional




msg:133845
 11:17 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Something interesting seems to be happening on www2. Froogle results coming in at the top for some phrases.

If that is the case, sites selling in non-US currencies are going to have a problem as they can't get into Froogle yet. I hope Google filters out Froogle results for non-US users else I am going to have to get a US dollar bank account and the US dollar is not exactly strong just now.

golfnut




msg:133846
 11:32 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I use another Dutch base cgi that checks all of the DCs at once, or as may as you like. Today I can only get results from www www2 www3 www-cw and www-ex.

Yes, I see the same here.......

Hissingsid




msg:133847
 11:34 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

As Bret said, it must have been been some flux.

I sometimes think that Brett throws in words like "Flux" and "Ginger" to mean "Just relax its something very complicated that Google does from time to time that you won't understand".

This is different but it is still complicated and I don't understand it. In the UK at some times of the day we are finding it difficult to get results from www.google.com and they often time out after 60 seconds.

I can't help but think that this level of service, coupled with low relevance results, is not helping Google's brand image at a time when they really need to be doing exceptionally well to meet the challenges that Yahoo is about to throw at them.

Best wishes

Sid

Kerrin




msg:133848
 11:47 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Something interesting seems to be happening on www2. Froogle results coming in at the top for some phrases.

Try typing in "bob the builder" (without the quotes) on www. Froogle's been at the top on this phrase for a few weeks now, so it looks like they're doing limited testing.

golfnut




msg:133849
 11:52 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I can't help but think that this level of service, coupled with low relevance results, is not helping Google's brand image at a time when they really need to be doing exceptionally well to meet the challenges that Yahoo is about to throw at them.

After two months of devastating results and feeling like Google was the Grinch that stole Christmas, I have hoped the same thing. But now, I think they believe it will have no impact on them as Pre-Florida appears to be "back in the day" for many SEOs.

The weird thing was that last night, if I searched on the same key word and hit refresh exactly four times, these new results showed up. This AM that is not true. So it must be that mysterious ......flux!

Interesting the Google Logo...perhaps this is a subliminal message that they are indeed "monkeying" around.

canuck




msg:133850
 11:57 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hrmm, well my results have definitely improved and stuck on all the DC's now... flux/algo-loosening/or maybe some hard-work to recover from Florida --- I'll see how things look in 24/48 hours.

- canuck

percentages




msg:133851
 12:14 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't see any difference at all...on any working data centers or ww?-Google.com.

It must have been very temporary flux due to the Chinese Lunar New Year. Buses and trains were packed in Peking, it probably caused a gravitational flux pull in some regional Google data centers, the upshot causing the magnet flux on the servers to be misaligned for a short while ;)

Similar effects have been known to occur locally following the consumption of a bottle of Scotch:)

Marval




msg:133852
 12:20 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

This flux with the new "test" index has been going on for a few days - first noticed it Monday when it would appear for a few minutes then dissapear for an hour - I would have to agree that there is a test of a bug repair along with some fresh results being brought in (flux)

also noticed the testing of the "related searches" words at the top and the bottom of the SERPs concurrently as well as some major keyword hit tracking of the destination urls

[edited by: Marval at 12:23 pm (utc) on Jan. 22, 2004]

steveb




msg:133853
 12:20 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

For the first time I see a result on www that is not on any of the (four) active datacenters. One of the dataceneters is on www2 and www3. Maybe one of you technoSherlocks can find the IP of the phantomcenter.

===

added, the phantom has different results but not hugely different.

Chelsea




msg:133854
 12:24 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's a simple case of Faraday's law:

The induced panic is proportional to the rate of change of flux.

Or w.t.t.e...

webdude




msg:133855
 1:07 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Speaking of flux and how the G gets its info, I am popping from #1 to #2 with every refresh. I mean, I just sat here and refreshed about 10 times and my site keeps popping back and forth between the 2 results.

How exactly does this work? Does G get it's data from different sources (data centers) and updates www, or is there a routing put in place according to how busy the G is?

I have often wondered with the amount of hits G must take, that they must have multiple servers to take the load and maybe one server is fresher then the next.

Sorry for the novice post, but I was just curious on exactly how it works.

:-}

p.s. I am glad to see my site back to pre-Florida results also. I had #1 for my money phrase for a year and a half, disappeared for a month, came back to the #20s and am now hovering between #1 and #2 again. Already getting orders in. I hope it sticks.

More Traffic Please




msg:133856
 1:25 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

webdude, you're on the right track. When you do a search on Google, it will generally try to send you query to a geographically close data center. If the load is heavy at the closer datacenters, it will balance the DC loads by sending your request to a less used center. Because DC's can vary, your results will vary at WWW.

webdude




msg:133857
 1:47 pm on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well that was short lived. I am back to #13 and sticking there. I guess I will end up tweaking some more...

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