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PR0 After Blogging
madone




msg:122673
 2:14 am on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello, i tried to post as message in different blogs my own websites.

After 2 month and after florida, Google penalize my sites, they had PR=4 or 5 and now they have PR=0 and you can't find them in SERPS.

Someone know how to re enter in the index in hurry? And with the normal Page rank?

Thanks.

 

madone




msg:122674
 1:54 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Nothing?

kovacs




msg:122675
 2:05 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

From the sounds of it you probably deserved it.

madone




msg:122676
 2:14 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok i deserved it but without known.

Why googleguy said, external factors don't penalize your site?

So if i spam concurrent sites they'll get PR=0 and they'll get out Ranking?

I hope you understand what i mean.

domokun




msg:122677
 2:27 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

i dont understand what you mean.
i hope your not saying that you intend to spam sites using your competitors urls in an attempt to drag them down with you.
in fact, i think i remember reading that google had devalued the importance of blog comments and guestbooks so that filthy spammers .. im sorry, people like yourself cannot continue to abuse this method.

well done google i say

lasko




msg:122678
 2:44 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)


So if i spam concurrent sites they'll get PR=0 and they'll get out Ranking?

Not really no.

I would also say you deserved it, but i think its not the blog spam you did that caused the pr=0 more like that you linked to this blog spam or your PR=0 has been caused by something else that just happens to be the same time you tried this blog spam.

Quite honestly I don't even look at blogs, I have trouble seing what they are worth for a good web based business.

If I want my web site to offer a professional service as part of a good business module then I will advertise or work with other official organisations etc. other then a blog. I doubt Google really scores from blog sites.

I would look at the whole of your site for any bad spamming techniques you may have implemented, Also when you admit to spamming in Blogs I doubt you will get much support also don't be surprised that others will say you deserved it. I am sure many will agree if this is your marketing strategy then it wouldn't be a surprise that you have done many other things that are banned.

Take a deep breath look at your site again make sure your clean its the only way!

[edited by: lasko at 3:12 pm (utc) on Jan. 14, 2004]

satanclaus




msg:122679
 2:54 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm in agreement with lasko. As for what you should do next. I would say register a new domain, set up a new host and start fresh.

rfgdxm1




msg:122680
 2:55 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Take a deep breath look at your site again make sure your clean its the only way!

I would say this may be the answer, and not the blog spamming. One problem with the idea of penalizing for blog spamming, besides the fact someone could hose the competition that way, is that in a sense blogs are made to be spammed. While almost all would consider posting in a lot of blogs a link "barely legal naked teenagers" to drive traffic to their commercial site, people posting links to their non-commercial personal sites in blogs is all kinds of common. The latter is natural in blogs, since blogs are about people sharing their points of view.

madone




msg:122681
 3:44 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would also say you deserved it, but i think its not the blog spam you did that caused the pr=0 more like that you linked to this blog spam or your PR=0 has been caused by something else that just happens to be the same time you tried this blog spam.

No the sites are good, i have many sites, the sites i have posted in blogs were penalized by google other sites were not penalized because they aren't present in the blog blacklist.

Dugger




msg:122682
 3:45 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would say your PR0 is likely not a result of the blog spamming but something else. Many sites rank very well in Google and seem to have got that way because of blog spamming. There seems to be no filter for this but if enough people report the spam that some sleepy tech at Google sits up and takes note and manually penalizes the site - then your domain is toast - get a new one.

Since it generally takes months for Google to recognize new links and then months more to act on spam reports I don't think enough time has gone by for your PR0 to be the result of the blog spamming.

In any event you have done something else wrong by the looks of things - and there is no quicker fix than trashing your domain and getting a new one I am sorry to say.

agerhart




msg:122683
 3:47 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you decide to spam or use a technique that you can't discuss openly with G or another search engine, then you need to realize that domains are expendable......be prepared to throw the domain away and start over.

madone




msg:122684
 4:03 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

These sites mantain their PR then after florida update they low their rank and after the last update they got PR=0 after 2 month.

soapystar




msg:122685
 4:09 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

more likely is that you simply have no useful links if you felt the need to go after blogs. Get some real links then you may have something to smile about.

madone




msg:122686
 4:21 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

i had PR=4/5 before blogs so useful links.

Im still thinking how to solve the problem.. how to reenter in google without the penalization.

Someone tell me to write to webmaster@google.com
with subject: "Reinclusion request" i don't know if can help me.

Dugger




msg:122687
 4:42 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good luck on the reinclusion request. In my exprience a domain that has been supposedly fixed never really is - you will still be better off starting over and the quicker you do that the sooner you will start ranking again.

BigDave




msg:122688
 6:25 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

were they Blogger brand weblogs? Is the system you spammed the blogs from the same as your server? Is it in the same block of IPs?

I personally think you have made a mistaken assumption about what happened. And if you are spamming blogs, you probably have tried other tricks at some point that that just happened to get caught now.

Other possibilities are that the sites that link to you got dinged, so they are no longer passing PR. Your site was down during a crawl. That the toolbar is broken in regards to your pages.

You don't say if your page is still in the index. So a search on
site:yoursite.com -asdfjkl
to see if it is even in the index.

madone




msg:122689
 7:05 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Other possibilities are that the sites that link to you got dinged, so they are no longer passing PR. Your site was down during a crawl. That the toolbar is broken in regards to your pages.

No because the sites that pass PR pass it to other sites but didn't pass to the penalized sites.


You don't say if your page is still in the index. So a search on
site:yoursite.com -asdfjkl
to see if it is even in the index.

Few penalized sites still in the index others aren't in the index.

trimmer80




msg:122690
 8:53 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is probably a stupid question. But has the page with the pr changed in anyway. e.g. was it the default index page and you changes from index.html to index.php? in short are you sure you are actually penalised.

madone




msg:122691
 9:53 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)


This is probably a stupid question. But has the page with the pr changed in anyway. e.g. was it the default index page and you changes from index.html to index.php? in short are you sure you are actually penalised.

No changes were made to the index pages.

domokun




msg:122692
 11:09 am on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

im starting to agree with Big Dave on this one. if you were spamming blogs then its possible you were using spam techniques on your home pages and that googles been alerted to it (possibly by one of the blog owners you spammed) or that it noticed it whilst updating your index.

so were/are you using spam on your homepage to boost its ranking?

madone




msg:122693
 2:41 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I tried to contact webmaster@google.com

I received only:

Thank you for writing to Google.

We read all of the email we receive and try to send personal responses
to each message.

This note is just to let you know that we've received your letter,
and you'll hear from us soon. We appreciate your taking the time to
contact us.

Thank you for using Google.

Regards,
The Google Team

Usually they reply after few days isn't it?
I wait from 4 days.

Rugles




msg:122694
 5:03 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>you probably deserved it

Here we go again.

It is funny that so many people who come to these forums claim to be SEO saints. Why else would you be here if you are not trying to rank higher. Anything you do to a web page (on or off the page) to help you rank higher is by definition SE spamming. That is why you are reading these forums.

BigDave




msg:122695
 5:30 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why else would you be here if you are not trying to rank higher. Anything you do to a web page (on or off the page) to help you rank higher is by definition SE spamming. That is why you are reading these forums.

What a pile of $#!+

<analogy>
I'd like to earn some money. I build a nice store to attract customers. Others will mug those customers on the way to the store. We are both trying to make money, and since mugging is illegal, we are both doing something illegal.
</analogy>

You don't even read what "the other side" posts, do you?

How is adding content to improve your site spamming? It makes customers happy and convieniently it makes google happy to.

By following the google guidelines, and brett's 26 steps, my site is MUCH better for the users.

If you make a change that makes it better for your users, why is it spam?

Rugles




msg:122696
 6:05 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>>mug those customers on the way to the store

That is a crime, with a victim. Very poor analogy.

>>>>>other side

If you are talking about the Supporters Forum that is where I spend most of my time.

SEO by definition is SE gaming. Many of those spammers (or muggers as you called them) are members here. So you are flaming the same community that is helping you.

Sure Bretts guide does help your customers manage their way thru your site. But, the real reason people make all these changes and chase down all these incoming links is to increase your rankings in the SERPS, correct?

So enjoy wearing your snow white hat, I am sure it looks good on you.

BigDave




msg:122697
 6:28 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>>mug those customers on the way to the store

That is a crime, with a victim. Very poor analogy.

No, it is an excellent analogy.

Spamming is committing a crime, and Google is the law. Laws are defined by the community that you are a part of, and in this case, the community that you want to be a part of is the ones listed on Google.

>>>>>other side

If you are talking about the Supporters Forum that is where I spend most of my time.

Huh? Where did that come from?

I was talking about this
It is funny that so many people who come to these forums claim to be SEO saints.

as being the other side.


SEO by definition is SE gaming.

Incorrect again. It is optimizing a site, taking into account that it should be designed to be search engine friendly. This also often leads to a site that is also friendlier for users. It is about making the best sites.

Spamming is SE gaming that breaks the rules set out by google. It is about ranking the best even when you know that you have an inferior site.

Many of those spammers (or muggers as you called them) are members here. So you are flaming the same community that is helping you.

While some of the spammers may have some useful advice, their spamming advice is of no help to me.

I call them like I see them. And if someone is upset with me for the analogy, then I can live with that.

Sure Bretts guide does help your customers manage their way thru your site. But, the real reason people make all these changes and chase down all these incoming links is to increase your rankings in the SERPS, correct?

There isn't anything wrong with wanting a better position! Why do you assume that there is? Google even tells you how to go about it!

Winning is not bad. Doing bad things to get there is bad.

Winning by doing good is a GOOD THING.

Do you understand the difference?

Going after incomming links has been around since before search engines. It is not bad.

Massive link trading where that is the only reason that you link to a site is bad in my opinion. I believe in freely linking. I link to good sites. I get links because others think I have a good site. I give them what they want to link to. That is how I "chase links".

So enjoy wearing your snow white hat, I am sure it looks good on you.

I will. Or was that meant to be a flame of othe members here?

Rugles




msg:122698
 6:37 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Maybe we should tone down the rhetoric before the Mod tells us to.

>>>Huh? Where did that come from?

I am sorry I thought you were referring to the Supporters forum. Where by the way this topic (black hat/white hat) is a recuring flame-fest.

centrifugal




msg:122699
 10:30 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think it's kind of harsh to just say, "You deserve it", because the implications of having that happen could be large, if he's living off those penalized sites, it's the same as saying, "you deserve not to make any money"
which is harsh. So he spammed blogs, is that the same as doing something actually bad to someone?
I understand there are rules, and I respect them, because we need them, but to just plainly say "you deserve it" is harsh, imo.

mfishy




msg:122700
 10:49 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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flicker




msg:122701
 11:04 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's hard to feel a huge amount of sympathy for someone who got caught doing something against the rules and annoying (blog-spamming), which does have victims (the owners of the blogs), who are probably the ones who got annoyed enough with him to turn him in to Google and cause him to get that penalty.

It's not like mugging someone or anything, but it IS like cheating at a card game, and if the other players catch you and kick you out, well, you DID kind of deserve that. *shrug*

centrifugal




msg:122702
 11:39 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have no argument, the idea is unethical, but it could also be just a "crime" of ignorance, and either way, I wouldn't say something like that in real life, so I wouldn't say it online either, but that's just me I guess.

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