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www2 www3 and -in offline

 9:14 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can't get it loaded from Europe.



 9:32 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Same here from Silicon Valley.



 9:40 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

same in NY


 9:46 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Works fine in the UK


 9:49 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Same in PA also.


 9:51 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Now in New york its back, but -in is now the same as all the other dcs.


 10:23 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, it was offline because they applied an additional filter before the results went live on google.com


 11:42 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

-in and -cw are down for me here in UT.


 12:00 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

The fresher data on -in was gone, and then -in was gone. Back for me now (-cw too) but the newer data is gone.

Tropical Island

 12:01 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

From here ALL data centres show the same results.

Does anyone else have a premonition that they are going to throw another big change at us or are they just holding everything static for the holidays?


 12:30 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Does anyone else have a premonition that they are going to throw another big change at us or are they just holding everything static for the holidays?

Don't know about that, but my index page just took a dive (about 120 places) for the single keyword it was #5 on pre-Florida. It had worked its way back up to about #20.



 12:56 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I came back on -in datacenter last week and then about 2 days ago I was dumped for the second time since Florida began on Nov 15. Since -in was isolated from the rest of the datacenters, my index page never showed up on any other ones. It is as if they are testing and then dumping fresh deep crawl data to see what comes back. I am remaining optimistic that they are just syncing the data from -in with all other data centers, so for now on the deep crawl data will appear on all data centers and not just -in. Either that or they are just putting this thing on hold until after the holidays and then work on another algo tweak. Who knows at this point?


 1:27 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

And now for something completely different... the new data that fell off -in for a couple hours is now back.


And 90 minutes later, poof, all the new/fresher data is gone again.


 3:25 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

WWW, WWW2, WWW3 and all datacenters including -in now look almost identical here in UK. Only a couple of hours ago WWW2, WWW3 and -in shared a different set of results. They've all fallen into line with WWW. This clearly means that either something is going to happen, or nothing at all is going to happen - now you can't argue with that ;)

[edited by: superscript at 3:38 am (utc) on Dec. 19, 2003]


 3:36 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

This clearly means that either something is going to happen, or alternatively, nothing at all is going to happen - now you can't argue with that ;)

Congratulations! You are now one of a few that have ever posted a fact on WW :o)


 6:15 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I heard a rumor that Google was going to do a major update/correction this weekend his any hear anything about it? The change at the datacenters could imply this may happen soon.


 6:19 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)


Is that you again, Dave?


 6:38 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Great ghosts of Gondor, my site is back in www2,3, and -in for our money phrase, red widgets, for the first time since near the end of the Florida update. Still at a foul 130th position, but its nice to see it there nonetheless.


 6:49 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is it possible we've got an update? My page is now showing it's new title, but with no cache date next to the listing. Ever since I changed the title, it would only show the new title when it was fresh dated. So, my guess is that google has switched to a new index that is the result of a deep crawl post-Florida.


 7:00 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing the same results on www2, www3, and -in, but different (and newer) than those on www. But here's something that I've only seen for the first time while searching on -in:

"Results 1 - 10 of about *snip*. Search took 9.91 seconds."

I don't think I've ever seen Google take more than one-second to retrieve results. I've seen my connection to the web server act slowly sometimes, but this has never affected the "search took x seconds" results before. It only seems to have done it once, so probably a fluke.. but interesting.


 7:21 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just checked the serps and one of my competitors who like me was hit for a real estate phrase is back in the top ten. I don't see any changes to their site, but it could mean that Google is re-evaluating it's algo.
I just hope my site(s) return.


 8:14 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

The newer data seems to be in, again, on -in. New pages of mine that are merely replacing older pages that I've deleted have been locked out of the other datcenters as they haven't let new stuff in but now on -in the pages have moved about where the old ones were.

What we are seeing is similar to what happened briefly earlier in the month, sites that were lost are now coming back in as "fresh" data, and should normally be ranking weaker than they did before, but they should improve the next update cycle to where they were.

Whatever Google tried to do with the -in experiment earlier this month obviously didn't work very well so they had to fiddle around for a couple weeks, holding out a lot of pages from the other datacenters in the process. My thinking is that the stuff on -in will move over to the other datacenters shortly, basically like a normal update where one datacenters leads the process. I don't think of this as a normal update though. I would guess we'd see that shortly after this data gets assimilated.

Or not.... :)


 8:25 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think www2 is pointing to www-in.google.com, which is running an index with a few different things. We've been having fun playing with it, but I'd also be happy to hear what WebmasterWorld folk have to say. If you want to send us feedback on any differences between www-in vs. the other data centers, feel free to send comments. Use the keyword "indifferences" (get it? in-differences? in. differences? Ahh, too late to pun tonight..) either via the spam report form at [google.com...] or via email to webmaster [at] google.com. I'm heading to bed, but tomorrow I'll check if anyone had comments either way.

catch ya tomorrow,


 8:48 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

So here we go again....

a couple of weeks ago most here where saying the update has finished since then we have had 3 major movements in results and change of back links once.

www2, www3, www-in are very in-different to each other but very different to other datacenters and appear to be changing for the last 2 days. Back links are still the same and results still look very messy.

When will Google sort out these results, nearly most searches give me pages with in a site instead of the index page also big sites with only 1 page relating to my search out rank sites that have 30 to 40 pages of content relating to my search.

It also appears that the results are still coming in sets of two one link followed by another underneath this is like on every result so now we only have 4 web sites on the first page each with two listings?

One of my competitors has not optimized his pages at all and I always believe his pages are far better then mine but he has been wiped out for every thing.

Still a big mess :(


 9:30 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Lasko I agree. Put the results I see by adding +www to the seach and I would be a happy camper.

One of my very relevant sites is back on page 2, others are still missing.

See lots of massive sites with subdomains still around and the local guy still being kicked in the teeth.


 9:44 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy, I'll send one in, but i've seen you guys playing with it alot so I'll be describing a moving morphing target.


 9:48 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Put the results I see by adding +www to the seach and I would be a happy camper.

Oh heck yeah, somebody call and tell google thats where the real results are at, and to drop the filter please.


 10:28 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

All of them works fine for me - from India. IMHO www-in SERPs are better than any of the results Google has shown since Feb2003.


 10:43 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

update has finished

Googles updates are perpetual.

Is that you again, Dave?

Who is this Dave guy? He sounds like a really nice guy!


 10:56 am on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi GoogleGuy,

If -in is going to go live this will be an unmitigated disaster for my main search term for my main site/page.

In general terms it looks like one problem that was there before Florida has been replaced by another one. Previously a proportion of the sites in the top 20 were generic-hyphenated-domainname.com pages that had got there by virtue of sharing the search term with their domain name and so di well from the in-anchor ellement of the algo. Now we have directories which appear to be generated static HTML including Espotting or Overture ads and the only reason that tyey have any content on the subject being searched for is the presence of our Espotting ad repeated twice. And some big brand general sites.

Say the term is widget financial. There are two companies that are called something like widgetology and widgetwise. These are acknowledged as leading specialist companies in the niche market in which they opperate in one little country which is OUS across the Atlantic but which uses the original version of the English language. The web sites of those two companies do not appear in the first 500 in SERPs for the most widely used term on -in. Our site which hovered previously between #3 and #1 is now at #550 on -in and #45-#43 on the other data centres. If -in is using technology to understand what a domain name means by splitting it into tokens and "sensing" it then it is getting it all wrong in my niche and penalising good specialist sites from good specialist companies.

#45 I could get to grips with we are still, even on -in #3 - #1 for all of our secondary terms but we are being penalised because of our niche market specialism because our registered company name could be misinterpreted because your Ontology does not "understand" the nuances of the English language.

There is no way that we are going to change our company name so if you are sensing the meaning of a domain name and in effect penalising those that have a meaning something similar to the search term (a counter logical step in terms of delivering good results) but you are also going to force us to simply buy a domain name which is totally unrelated to the search term.

If that is the case could you please tip us the wink.

I understand why you might use CIRCA to sense the menings of domain names in order to target ads to parked domains but I think that you are walking a tightrope if you turn that around and penalise domains in searches where their company name and domain name sound like they deliver what is being searched for.

Please don't propogate -in

what could be my last

Best wishes


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