Not to sound like a jerk, but why would anyone tell their secrets of gaining PR other than saying dmoz, yahoo and paid advertising links.
[edited by: Marcia at 5:30 pm (utc) on Dec. 15, 2003]
[edit reason] Slight alteration in semantics. [/edit]
Why not try a search for 'directory [your industry]' or 'add URL [your industry]'?
Business.com could be worth it as well.
What you need is a link from slashdot (if you can handle the traffic ;)
|Not to sound like a jerk, but why would anyone tell their secrets of gaining PR other than saying dmoz, yahoo and paid advertising links. |
Hark I here a **** calling! Joke spoiled by admin edit.
So that's it then. I've missed nothing the top ten places are exactly what I'm doing now.
I thought folks might tell me to get back to basics and grow my own. See "Phil Craven's article Google's PageRank Explained and how to make the most of it" just search for Google pagerank explained.
Or maybe point up some good places to sponsor for a cost effective boost.
Shh! The secret is there's no secrets!
[edited by: Hissingsid at 5:50 pm (utc) on Dec. 15, 2003]
>>> Business.com could be worth it as well.
Is it? $99 is not that much, but I would hate to throw it away - any thoughts on this directory and PR, anyone?
If you really think high PR is important (which I consider questionable), make offers to buy links on sites with good PR.
Also if you really have to think twice about $99 for this investment, you might not want to be an entrepreneur :)
>I think that PR is more important now with the changes in the algo
I am not quite sure of that.
I think business.com is worth the $99.
Just pay attention to which category your are getting into.
One place you can search for potential link partners is Google's Directory.
PageRank serves a webmaster's ego better than his SERPs.
|If you really think high PR is important (which I consider questionable) |
The reason that I think that it is becomming more important is two fold:
1. In my niche what is left in the top 10 appears to be crap ranked by PR.
2. Logically if the algo shift for so called filtered terms removes a chunk of something then it must increase the weight of other factors. I'm just postulating that allinanchor is down weighted and PR is upweighted for "filtered" terms.
I may be clutching at straws but I figure that even if I'm wrong a bit more PR shouldn't do any harm.
I do recomend that folks go and read that article I mentioned earlier. There is quite a good recipe for funneling a sites PR to one or a few pages.
>I may be clutching at straws but I figure that even if I'm wrong a bit more PR shouldn't do any harm.
Here I agree. Following this logic through, since this is an uncertain proposition, you should be thinking of ways to maximize the PR flowing to your site at minimal or no cost. That way if you have guessed wrong you won't lose much. I would recommend that you start thinking "outside the box" a bit, and think about how to do this that most people haven't figured out yet.
for a good pr, get some good sites with good pr and link with them,
I had one site of pr7 linking back to me, so i got pr 6 and now i have many other sites of pr 6 linking to me.
on that pr 7 site i was the only outgoing link.
My experience is that after the ones you have mentioned , directories give diminishing returns on investment.
I think the best place to pick up PR apart from links from PR 6 and above sites is E papers. Write some interesting articles on your subject and submit and get them "printed" in any of the electronic versions of the newspapers. If you are lucky google news will pick it up as well.
If I check my own area the competition that sit at the top of the tree all have press links coming into them.
This also raises the obvious although less ethical method of look at your competitors incoming links and be there or better too.
*Sig buried out in the desert with Hoffa*
|Shh! The secret is there's no secrets! |
heh, I obviously would not only be helping you (for what website you run) but also helping my competitors who lurk here to gain PR .. probably that explains what I said?
But to add, watch your competitors .. where do they get links from.
Thanks for the great advice!
If you haven't already read it I would recommend reading Phil Craven's article "Google's PageRank Explained". I've always tried to be careful in my site structure but had not previously realised how important number of pages and structure within the site was to focusing PageRank on one or a few pages in your site.
A new site has just gone into my main target search term at number one from nowhere today. It looks like they buy PageRank by sponsoring unrelated student association web pages which often benefit from being part of academic institutions. I guess that I may be seeing a first pass of recalculating PR.
Looks like a good back door to PR to me.
PS I'm not suggesting that there is a direct link between the co-incidence noted above, just thought it was a good idea to gain back links from high PR sites at low cost.
|sponsoring unrelated.. web pages |
You should see how it goes when you sponsor a related web page. Esp. a successuful one, wrt traffic and pr.
|What you need is a link from slashdot (if you can handle the traffic ;) |
It's a shame about slashdot growing too big.
Anyone succesfully put an article on there and survived?
What's required? A massive server cluster and load-balancing?!
This might help :-
Link Development 2 [webmasterworld.com]
How to get inbound Links [webmasterworld.com]
I hope i'm not the only one who doesn't know what slashdot is? Why do you get so much trafiic if you're on there?
jsnow, they simply get a LOT of traffic. If you have a mention/link on them, or unrelated Drudge or Fark - your server will certainly be working overtime.
-some are getting more than 5 million impressions a day.
|some are getting more than 5 million impressions a day. |
Worth playing with if you can afford the kind of server resources to handle it.
Reminds me of that Matrix Table Tennis thing that did the rounds on email.
The guy that was hosting it got a bill from his ISP for something like $8k. He didn't realise the sheer volume of traffic that was heading his way (it was an mpeg video mind).
I remember the sudden deluge of adverts that got stuck up on there as soon as the traffic level was discovered. Shame they made such a balls-up of it though.
>>>If you have a mention/link on them, or unrelated Drudge or Fark
Twice in the past I have the unfortunate experience a Fark image pull. I can tell you that you are correct about a server working overtime. Thousands of hits per hour.
But the guys who run Fark were very responsive and friendly.
These sites seem to be general consumer type sites, is there anything similar for Business?
>I think the best place to pick up PR apart from links from PR 6 and above sites is E papers. Write some interesting articles on your subject and submit and get them "printed" in any of the electronic versions of the newspapers. If you are lucky google news will pick it up as well.
You are beginning to catch on to what I meant by thinking outside the box, grasshopper. ;) I effectively managed that recently by accident when a reporter cited at the end of a news report added a link to one of my sites as an authoratative resource. A news syndication service picked up that report, and it appeared on a number of news sites. Which are now showing as backlinks. :) Another example of thinking outside of the box is the notion of getting links from teenagers with homepages with solid PR I have mentioned before. This is easy to do, if you put a little effort into it. If you think solid PR links are what is important (personally, I have doubts), then you have to seek out links from such pages.
I've got a PR 7 page that no longer ranks well unless you search for
'furry blue widget -aquamarine +bolivia -camel' :(
- I'll stick a link to your site on it if you wish!
(Serious offer - I might as well!)
p.s. Is this 'grasshopper' thing a term of endearment?
>Also if you really have to think twice about $99 for this investment, you might not want to be an entrepreneur :) <
Dunno about PR, but biz.com is bar far the best $99 I ever spent. But I suppose it depends on the industry you are in.
|Dunno about PR, but biz.com is bar far the best $99 I ever spent. But I suppose it depends on the industry you are in. |
This is an interesting point. In the real (rather than non-real?) Internet world - no sensible person would criticise a company for attempting to raise its profile, by whatever legitimate means available. In the 'real' world, companies do it all the time. In the UK you can appear in the Yellow Pages, or Thompson Directory. You pay for these 'links'. The only difference is that they are in print. You can even decide how much to pay to increase your profile.
There's nothing new about an active, intelligent, driven young organisation seeking to increase its profile in a medium. It's a shame that this has taken on an almost moral element. That is, if a small company was previously doing well in Google's commercial SERPs, it was somehow spamming.
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