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Is anybody #1 for adwords and organic
in a hard hit florida serp

 4:30 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was just wondering if anybody that was number one for adwords and number one for organic (or top 5) is still on the first page of organic. This can only be if that search term was hit hard by florida. What I mean by hit hard is that at least 5 of the top 10 sites pre florida are gone now.

I have tons where I have both still but florida did not effect those terms at all.

Also if a person lost a term did anybody cancel their word in adwords and come back?



 10:29 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

We only have one site hit, only for two phrases. For those we're high in Adwords, always have been. We were high in SERP's pre-Florida; now two hundred-and-something.

In categories not hard hit, we occupy high spot s in both sets.

You don't really think?....Naw.

I do buy some sort filter thing however, even if no explanation of it seems exactly right yet.


 10:43 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

We were # 2 for both pre-florida. Now organic is 234th or something awful like that. We have decided that after literally paying Google thousands since May of 2002, that since Florida hit our pockets hard, we have to make up the dollars somewhere. Effective today, we moved our ad word campaigns to the bottom of the heap and are going to spend this money in more traditional market methods.


 10:45 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

I bid high, usually 1 or 2 in adwords for a certain word and I'm also number 2 in SERPs. We were number 9 - 10 pre-florida.


 10:52 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

I should also mention that this was a very hard hit key phrase. Mine was only 1 of 2 sites that stayed in the top ten.


 10:54 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, I should mention our keyword was very hard hit. No one in the top 10 remained in the top 50.


 11:33 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes.But i only used adwords after Florida.
I used them even though my site was the only site left in the free serps.Results looked that bad that I thought by being top of adwords as well as the organic the surfers would see no other choice but me.


 2:56 am on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the info. At least now I know I can come back sometime. I am trying to get links now from on topic sites that have the word information, resource, resources, guide and making sure each link is very different. I am also shooting for links from sites that have DMOZ listing that are not commercial and on topic. I am also getting sites linked to internal pages that have a lot of text about something and no sales text on that page (at least not readable by spiders).

I finaly found a competiter that survived this thing. They don't really compete with my main focus. They are a PR7 and have 400 backlinks most from his own sites. This person writes a lot of articles and gets published a lot. His other info sites are very clearly his. They say sponserd by. They are very good sites and have good backlinks themselves. His main site still ranks on some good terms hit hard by florida. He has a comercial DMOZ listing but does not do PPC. It was a very good study. I have found several sites that have done well after Florida and have spent a lot of time seeing why they made it. It really is true if you create good content and just make a name for yourself eventualy you will do very well. It is the slow approach but I have seen it work. Of course I am in the service industry so it is different than the Affiliate and Ecom guys.


 3:51 pm on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Content and link text still seems to be king...

We also have a site with premium listing and number 2 position on organic results. Before florida the client was number 1 in organic results but that is not that much a change.


 6:30 pm on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Begs another question:

For those who ae high ADWORDS and High Organic, can you give click rates (where does the traffic come from?)


 8:27 pm on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

For adwords around 5 % for organic up to 30 % or more.


 8:46 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Did anybody get hit by Florida with a PR7 or higher.


 9:20 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Did anybody get hit by Florida with a PR7 or higher."

Ogletree, I had some PR 7/8 competitors get destroyed by this thing.

Honestly, I admired these guys (or at least the companies that did their SEO). I don't mind getting beat as long as content is relevent (there's was)- if I'm getting beat because someone else is working harder/smarter, I can live with that.

I do mind getting beat by totally irrelevent crap, which is what my industry results have now turned into.


 3:47 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

PR7.. went from #3 to #470 to #670 to gone over the course of Florida.

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