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Domain name mixup
I have two sites...
chrisholgate




msg:85558
 12:20 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have two sites, one is the main site which we'll call www.widgets.com and one is a site with a catchy name that automatically diverts to www.widget.com, we'll call this site www.widgetscatchy.com.

Kind of confused that www.widgetscatchy.com site had a PR5 so checked the incoming links and for some reason when I check the links to this site is shows www.widgets.com's links instead of it's own. Even when listing the site Google states 'Searched for pages linking to AYdabadfa:www.widgets.com/' instead of 'Searched for pages linking to AY4cSZStU-0J:www.widgetscatchy.com/'

The sites are using the same hosting company but they're both two completely seperate accounts and have completely different content.

Why has Google amalgamated these two sites links? I'm just slightly worried that Googlebot will drop the pair of the sites from the index if it decides that the two sites are the same.

Any ideas guys?

Cheers

Chris Holgate

 

nakulgoyal




msg:85559
 10:59 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

something of this sort has happened with oen of my websites as well. 2 different names. Different Content. Same PR. Same Back Links. Back Links of Site1 + Back Links of Site2 = BackLinks Results for either of the 2 domains.

Same Hosting Company.

mcavic




msg:85560
 1:04 am on Dec 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

How does widgetscatchy divert to widgets? What kind of redirection? If you want to sticky me the urls, I'll take a look.

chrisholgate




msg:85561
 11:25 am on Dec 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've just noticed several of my competitors who have automatic redirects are also experiencing this problem.

Not sure if Google is supposed to be doing this or not but here is an example you can all try at home.

Search for www.microsoft.co.uk in Google and it when you click on 'show sites linking to', it will instead show sites linking to www.microsoft.com/uk which is the site that the .co.uk automatically redirects too.

Sorry to use site specifics but I can't really show this example any other way

Tropical Island




msg:85562
 12:06 pm on Dec 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

We have 5 parked domains aimed at one of our main sites and up until now it's never been a problem. Since Florida I notice that these pointed domains are being indexed. In one extreme case there is a keyword that has three of the domains listed on the first page. While this is very nice, and many probably think I'm kinda dumb for even bringing it up, it worries me that at some future date Google is going to realize they all point at the same site and penalize us for duplicate content.

The main site is hosted by one of the largest hosting companies (Interland) and we've had these parked domains for years. I don't understand the mechanics of the parking service. Google was always very good at identifing them however some change has occurred and they are not picking up the fact that they are parked domains.

Any suggestions?

Trawler




msg:85563
 7:09 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have the same problem with parked domains. Had them pointing to one of my travel sites. I now have 236 websites with the same content as the index page of my travel site.

Never had this problem before Florida even though the domains were there for years.

How they got the URL's beats me. There is no way I had those links exposed to a spider. My guess is the whois.

What I have done is set up one (parking) page on an outside domain, and placed links to my travel sites. All domains are now directed to that one site.

As soon as I can, I will put up a page listing those 236 domains and get google to re-spider them. When all of the domains reflect the parking page and not my travel site, I will put a no-index tag on the parking page.

Just what I needed!

vrtlw




msg:85564
 7:48 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is anyone using a 301 redirect on their parked domains?

I just implemented it for my 10 or so parked domains and they all vanished from the SERPS in about 2 days. I also got a nice PR boost this month which I think was related as I had established no new backlinks.

Paul

dasboot




msg:85565
 7:57 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Why is anyone in the least bit concerned about parked domains? You want them in the Google index? Why? And why should they be?

added: Sorry, I've been a bit naive here:

I now have 236 websites with the same content as the index page of my travel site.

What the hell are you doing with 236 parked websites? - I hope you are being well and properly stuffed in the rankings.

vrtlw




msg:85566
 8:06 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Why is anyone in the least bit concerned about parked domains?

Duplicate content penalties can hurt.

There are ways of re-writing the parked domain name in .htaccess to stop this happening and you can also transfer any inbound links aimed at the parked domains to the main account.

vrtlw




msg:85567
 8:08 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

What the hell are you doing with 236 parked websites? - I hope you are being well and properly stuffed in the rankings.

Why would you hope for that?

rogerd




msg:85568
 8:11 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

What the hell are you doing with 236 parked websites? - I hope you are being well and properly stuffed in the rankings.

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, dasboot. I don't think the intention was to create 236 duplicate sites in Google; I'd assume the parked domains are alternate spellings of the primary domain as well as other domains being used to catch type-in traffic while the owner is deciding how to use them.

dasboot




msg:85569
 8:16 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey - I'm a simple honest bloke using a .co.uk and a .com - and worrying about the consequences.

Now we hear complaints / concerns from someone with over 200 parked domains, who is worrying about their status.

Beggars belief.

As if we bl*ody care. Sounds like major spamming in the making.

added: there is scant respect for the Internet on these boards - the parking of multiple domains - even hundreds - is regarded as legitimate, even by 'moderators'

Who appoints these 'moderators'?

[edited by: dasboot at 8:27 pm (utc) on Dec. 29, 2003]

[edited by: engine at 8:05 am (utc) on April 7, 2004]

jimbeetle




msg:85570
 8:24 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm still confused from the first time I read the post a couple of weeks ago.

First
one is a site with a catchy name that automatically diverts to www.widget.com, we'll call this site www.widgetscatchy.com

Then
they're both two completely seperate accounts and have completely different content.

Emphasis added

I think that until the exact situation is cleared up it's tough to guess at anything.

So, does widgetscatchy redirect to widgets as stated first or, are they separate domains with separate content as stated second?

vrtlw




msg:85571
 8:35 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Dasboot,

Whats your issue?

Parked domains are a legitimate part of running a succesful website, there is nothing wrong with catching more visitors by buying a domain name they are likely to type into the address bar (either a mis-spelling of the main domain name or a commonly used word).

dasboot




msg:85572
 8:36 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

What possible value are parked domains to Internet users - and why is a WW moderator showing any interest in them at all?

You are crooked and biased WW - through and through.

vrtlw




msg:85573
 8:38 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

What possible value are parked domains to Internet users

For one, when they can't spell

vrtlw




msg:85574
 8:42 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

and why is a WW moderator showing any interest in them at all?

To help diffuse a rude response to a genuine question.

dasboot




msg:85575
 8:42 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hey vrtlw,

But what you are describing now sounds like a set of multiple doorways - please expand. Have we all been so naive?

added: do we need over 200 doorways to overcome spelling mistakes - in a SE that automatically corrects them. Are you guys - with your 200+ URLs the reason so many have suffered in Florida. And you're even moaning about them not being indexed, although they're only parked.

[edited by: dasboot at 8:47 pm (utc) on Dec. 29, 2003]

vrtlw




msg:85576
 8:46 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

But what you are describing now sounds like a set of multiple doorways

Not in the slightest, you are re-writing the URL using .htaccess so that the parked domain does not show in the SERPS at all. Also the URL would change in the address bar.

i.e.

typed as:
www.webmasterwold.com

re-written automatically to:
www.webmasterworld.com

dasboot




msg:85577
 8:48 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

You are spammers

vrtlw




msg:85578
 8:50 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

You are spammers

No, you are just not getting it.

dasboot




msg:85579
 8:54 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

An honest man can never 'get it' - that's the tragedy.

Parking 200+ domains is one thing, tacit support from a WW moderator is another, but measly spammer complaints about them not being indexed really takes the biscuit.

vrtlw




msg:85580
 9:01 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

References to parked domains were made in response to TropicalIslands query, please go back and re-read it on the first page, you seem a little confused!

dasboot




msg:85581
 9:04 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

vrtlw

You wrote

I just implemented it for my 10 or so parked domains and they all vanished from the SERPS in about 2 days

Now is this a Webmaster Forum - or a spam forum? If you have a legit content site - why worry about your parked domains?

And why would a Mod show interest in a guy who is worried about his 200+ parked domains?

It's spam - legitimised by this forum.

vrtlw




msg:85582
 9:09 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Exactly, that is the aim.

Vanish from the SERPS so as to avoid a duplicate content penalty (or spamming as you call it).

This is the result of an .htaccess redirect, we are trying to avoid penalties associated with spamming and also just get one domain, not multiple domains listed in the SERPS.

vrtlw




msg:85583
 9:13 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

It's spam - legitimised by this forum.

How would you ever define this as spam?

Trawler




msg:85584
 9:37 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

dasboot>

And why would a Mod show interest in a guy who is worried about his 200+ parked domains?

----

I think the moderator was just trying clue you in about the post that I made, I sure it was not his intention to promote or condone spam. Nor is it mine.

If you would read this thread in sequence, it should be clear to you that in no way were the 236 domains intended to be indexed. I was only stating that they were indexed in response to others that have posted about that issue.

These are a part of our 5000 or so domains that we manage purley for type-in traffic and all 236 of them are travel related.

It was never intended for google to index the 236 domains. The fact that they have been indexed just goes to support the reality that google travels in places they are not invited or welcomed.

Most likley google got the URL's through the whois, or a whois service.

I hope this helps you, no-one here is promoting or condoning spam.

Tropical Island




msg:85585
 3:57 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sorry I took some time to get back to this - our ISP was down for 18 hours.

Dasboot has completely misunderstood the circumstances of these parked domains.

They are indeed mispellings and other domains that we are holding for future use. Nothing spammy about it. Our hosting company offers a service for $20 that parks and aims these domains to our main site. If someone mistypes the name they automatically go to the main site.

What has happenned is that for the mispelling of our regional name our main site is there as well as two of the parked domains - all in the top 10.

I don't want this which is the opposite of spam! I also do not want to be penalized.

Can someone with knowledge about this tell me how I can get Interland to change the parking code so that Google will know these are parked domains and not index them. The problem may be happening because I am showing them as "future sites" on one of our design pages however Google should know they are parked.

scoobontour




msg:85586
 5:12 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

why would there be anything wrong with having parked domains?
Could be entirely legitimate, buying and saving domain names for the future?
nobody in their right mind would want google to find 230+ domains all pointing at the same address. Intentional or otherwise.

korkus2000




msg:85587
 5:43 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

To me it sounds like a 302 redirect. Google will sometimes dup these redirects and see them as a site by themselves. Make sure you use a 301. That way google sees the domain as trash and doesn't index them.

>>why would there be anything wrong with having parked domains?

Theres not. There is no shady practice at all if you have a domain without a site. Pointing alternate spellings is done even by google ( [gooogle.com...] ), so it is not an issue as long as it is not a doorway with one page. If you don't try and rank with a parked domain then it will not fly for the definition of spam which is trying to trick the engines. Not in the engine = not spam.

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