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Sites are Coming back.
markus007




msg:35956
 11:43 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Check www2 missing sites are back again!

 

experienced




msg:36046
 6:25 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

The same thing with me but new is my backlinks are also not listed :(

AjiNIMC




msg:36047
 8:45 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I de-optimized my site, but when will this be reflected. Till now I am not back neither in www2.

with kw1-kw2 -sdfsd shows my sire at #37, I donot know what should I do now.

Waiting .... Waiting ........ I sick of this word. When is the next reverse revolution expected?

Aji

swones




msg:36048
 10:31 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've stayed away from these threads for a while now, kinda resigned myself to the fact that Google was broken. I did check today and sure enough my site has managed to crawl back to anywhere between no's 50-70 for my main kw's which isn't great as it was previously no.1 and no.6, but it's a heck of a lot better than anything from 300+ to nowhere at all!

Simon.

algarveb




msg:36049
 11:07 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

"It seems sites that have "keyword phrase" in the domain are not budging too much. However, sites that have different domain than keyword are back on the first page. This is only in my industry."

Not so - fortunately for us - for our industry (travel)

algarveb




msg:36050
 11:13 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

We have now been restored to our pre-florida positions for 3 of our top 5 competitive keyphrases and we have not de-optimized - just kept making the small dailey changes we always make (updating weather conditions for our region etc)

Hissingsid




msg:36051
 11:32 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

We have now been restored to our pre-florida positions for 3 of our top 5 competitive keyphrases

Good news. Did you go straight back in or has there been a step by step change.

We have reappeared #45 on all data centers for the term that had us dropped from sight. I'm hoping this is just the first step.

Good luck

Sid

newwebster




msg:36052
 1:33 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Are any of the returning sites new? The sites in my industry that have not returned are less than a year old. I wonder if age is a new part of the algorithm"

I think what has happened since Nov. 15 is a tranfer to Froogle database for certain keywords. These keywords are used to trigger accessing Froogle in order to display Froogle results on the page. Since Froogle was in beta prior to this, I think that the data was either partial or outdated. I think it will take a few weeks or hopefully sooner for this database to updated form the regular crawls. This would explain allot of what we have seen in the last 3 weeks.

I am still not showing for my best keywords(Froogle keywords perhaps?). But, I rank high on everthing else(Non-Froogle). Anyone else think that this has happened?

I do think there was a minor algo change, but this does not explain everthing that has happened from what I have seen.

algarveb




msg:36053
 2:13 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hissingsid - we went from nowhere to #3 or 4 yesterday evening, and then today back to #1

Good luck!

Gus_R




msg:36054
 2:13 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

No luck for me, yet :(

lgn1




msg:36055
 2:13 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well I am going back to my original optimized site. It was never over optimized in the first place. I just had two <H1> tags instead of one on my home page, and I don't consider that over optimization.

I made it back to postiion 14, and now I can just push it onto page one, I will be happy.

If my site disapear again, then this will at least prove that H1 tags have an effect on the algorithm.

I have pretty much wean my self off of the free serps anyways, so I can afford to play.

However I believe, the problem has always been an unintentional bug in the Florida algorthimn. Its not totally fixed, but Google is working on it.

I have no problem with Google, playing with their algorthim, however they should be doing a lot more beta testing, and never release a major update, just before the christmas rush. The Florida update, was not ready for prime time, and this whole mess could have been avoided if they kept the testing to a few data centers, before releasing it unto the masses. I was largely unaffected, since pre christmas is the slow season in my industry, but quite a few of the members here, went through 3 weeks of panic because of this.

Please Google, don't pull off anymore Microsoft's (where the first two releases of any given product is beta ware).

Tropical Island




msg:36056
 2:45 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

One thing I noticed is that during the height of Florida the search term >myregional area map< returned NO results. That term is now returning 22,000+ results.

The only thing I could figure is that every page was probably optimized unintentionaly for this area's map including title, description, keywords, text, alt and H1 tags. Google bumped all 22,000 pages.

jady




msg:36057
 3:35 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>> Has anybody been restored to their original position, that did not do any de-optimization.

Our site was never "over-optimzied" per say. We were #4 for our keywords pre-florida. Then fell to #16. We are now in the #3 spot.

I did what the pro's said to do - NOTHING!

c1bernaught




msg:36058
 3:42 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)


I've made no changes.... main KW back 216 places to #28. Hoping to continue moving up till I'm top 5 again....

We'll see...

Nermin




msg:36059
 4:00 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

just checked mine
i am #9 (used to be #2)

i am happy with this "for now", better than last week anyway :)

Jakpot




msg:36060
 4:06 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm returning to the SERPS for some keywords but not in the same high positions. I believe my other keywords are money words and they will probably never return.
Is this 1/2 a loaf or a true effort to make us whole again?

SlyOldDog




msg:36061
 4:28 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

So If I read this right from the people who replied to my last post, it is the static sites which are doing better?

Our dynamic sites are still out. Pehaps it could be because they are fairly new and the internal links have not been given pagerank yet? This Hilltop discussion would mean sites with pagerank only on a few pages among many on a site would have a severe disadvantage and would be seen as an authority vaccuum :)

Established dynamic sites might do better if Google had bothered to allocate pagerank to the internal pages.

Kirby




msg:36062
 4:42 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Is this 1/2 a loaf or a true effort to make us whole again?

It is a completely different loaf. IMO this is not a rollback or reversal. What happened the last 2 1/2 weeks was a major algo tweak and now we're just seeing some fine tuning of some overly turned knobs.

weblamer2




msg:36063
 4:44 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

heres my 2 bits:

pre-florida: i was #1 for my search term.

during florida: index vanished

post-florida tweak: index is back, but now on the second page of results.

the waffle test still puts me # i though. "search term" -ejgkerjh

blah.

LateNight




msg:36064
 4:46 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>>>>>>I think what has happened since Nov. 15 is a tranfer to Froogle database for certain keywords. These keywords are used to trigger accessing Froogle in order to display Froogle results on the page. Since Froogle was in beta prior to this, I think that the data was either partial or outdated. I think it will take a few weeks or hopefully sooner for this database to updated form the regular crawls.<<<<<

Makes sense - hopefully some more sites will reappear on the Froogle keywords once the database is fully updated.

c1bernaught




msg:36065
 4:46 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

SlyOldDog:

My site is static....

newwebster




msg:36066
 5:04 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

"the waffle test still puts me # i though. "search term" -ejgkerjh"

I beleive that there will be more data to come that will put you back in this spot. What you are seeing is the first wave of deep crawl data being brought into the mix.

ronhollin




msg:36067
 5:18 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

One of my top keywords have come back and we got our #1 position with that keyword. For now at least.

jjdesigns4u




msg:36068
 8:11 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

we are seeing some positive movment in some of our sites....

we have not made any changes to our sites choosing just to ride this wave and see what happens...

my travel sites are still nowhere

does anyone know what tweaks should be made or should we still just wait and see?

jack1960xx




msg:36069
 8:49 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Does anyone who has watched google before have a way to know if this change (we started seeing results change last evening) is another update ... or just them processing changes from re-roboting sites ....?

We have noticed one site reappear CLOSE to pre-florida position .... on some keywords terms but NOT showing at all on many other terms ... if this is an early update, is it likely to be a few more days to see all the changes?

ALSO ... before today, the filter test had us at #5 and we were 170 in the current results ... now the current results show us #7 and in the FILTER test we are #11 .... can anone make any sense out of that flip flop?

steveb




msg:36070
 10:46 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

"can anone make any sense out of that flip flop?"

There are two ranking algorithms, and they are completely separate of each other. They aren't related so the movement of the numbers isn't going to show a relationship.

Kirby




msg:36071
 10:54 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

steveb, what is your opinion on why the two different algos exist?

minnapple




msg:36072
 10:55 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

steveb,

I agree with you on the two algo's.
We have been working on software that allows us to sample large sets of data for analysis.
It is complicated, I do believe it goes farther beyond the two algo's.

minnapple

kelleybelly




msg:36073
 10:57 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi My site has disappeared too. Does anybody know why this is . My ecommerce site is for a highly competitive category.

steveb




msg:36074
 11:01 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Why have two different algos? Why not? MSN is running two different kinds of bots. Nothing wrong, and a lot right, with having two parallel systems in place.

In this case though, the old anchor text algo is more useful internally on a site, and where internal near-duplicate content makes more sense to ignore. For example, do site:domain.com -qwerty and it makes sense for all pages to show up, including any close to the same pages for endless products. The florida algorithm is working hard to discern and eliminate duplicate content mini-webs and duplicate doorway pages, so the reverse makes sense, to ignore pages very similar to each other.

merlin30




msg:36075
 11:03 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Interesting reply you gave thre steveb.

You almost conceded the existence of a filter - not a filter that removes sites but one that sends a search term one way or the other.

Are you changing your mind?

jack1960xx




msg:36076
 11:14 pm on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

"can anone make any sense out of that flip flop?"
There are two ranking algorithms, and they are completely separate of each other. They aren't related so the movement of the numbers isn't going to show a relationship.

**********

So your though is that we went down on the old algo just by chance ... not because they changed it also?

With OLDGOOGLE ... we ranked say 5 before yesterday then 11 yesterday (THAT WENT DOWN), with NEWGOOGLE we ranked 170 before yesterday then 7 yesterday (that went up) ...

What I am wondering ... is, IF there really are two separate lawyers of test now ... not just one new algorithim as some writers postulate?

My idea was ...Why would they be tinkering with an old algorithim unless they really are using a two step process now the old algo PLUS something additional? But maybe 6 other sites just made changes that put them ahead of us under the old algorithim ... and it was not changed ... I am skeptical that they do just have one algorithim myself ... since we still have not shown up in the other dozen search terms for our sites, just back in one term ... and that could mean that they just quit applying step 2 to that term?

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