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Sites are Coming back.

 11:43 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Check www2 missing sites are back again!



 11:56 pm on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

We made it back to page one. Not the same place, but closer than number 8 billion or whatever it was before...

I did make some changes regarding title and keyword density though. Perhaps that moved us up a bit farther than others.


 11:59 pm on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Further to my earlier post. Google still has the older versions of my pages cached so I guess the impact )+ve or -ve) of my changes has yet to be felt. Could be interesting.


 12:02 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)


we have jumped from position 109 to our old position of 3 for a top keyphrase with over a million searches

Looking good, as my competitors have vanished, oh well i always said that if you do everything right and not use spam tactics you will list high in google.



 12:22 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ahh...... finaly some movement, an hour ago still could not be found, now up to #16, not back to #3 Pre-Florida yet but things are still changing. Geting interesting.


 12:34 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Those of you who are coming back.... are your sites static or dynamic? I've noticed our static sites coming back but the dynamic ones (recently made) have yet to rear their heads.


 12:39 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ours are all static sites



 12:46 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)


a mixture here of static and dynamic.


 1:00 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

We are (ec)static.


 1:14 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

static here

For those coming back, how many de-optimized the index page, ie reduced the keyword denisty, etc.?


 1:16 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

We deoptimized for better results.
Although our links have increased this update, could be a mixture of both.



 1:17 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

We also deoptimzed, I am sure it is too early to tell if that is what is helping or not but would like to get an early poll.


 1:24 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

was number 8...after Florida nowhere...now 280...

at least it's a start, not great but better.


 1:31 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>> Has anybody been restored to their original position, that did not do any de-optimization.

Though my website was not re-stored to its original position (#1-5 on several key keywords), it has been returned from the abyss with no de-optimization.

But then again, the only optimization I ever did was
- keywords seasoning the content (w/in reason)
- title/description keywords etc
- things like alt tags


 1:43 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

It seems sites that have "keyword phrase" in the domain are not budging too much. However, sites that have different domain than keyword are back on the first page. This is only in my industry. Hmm....


 2:08 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a static site. I use to be on page one for 3 two-word keyphrases...now I am gone. I have not come back yet, nor have any of my 8 other competitors that were also on page 1 or 2 for the serp's.

I sell an industrial product and adwords is huge in my business right now...mostly $1 - $3 per click. Since florida, I've noticed a ton of .org sites, association and government sites appearing on page one which was previously held by commercial sites, including mine.

Our main competitor, whose site is optimized perfectly and chuck full of page content, is still #1, and then the next 9 results are useless sites mentioned above. I'm curious if google trying to show a broader range of sites whenever possible, instead of the usual pre-florida commercial sites.

This is my only explanation for why eopinions and .org reference sites keep appearing for my industrial search terms.

Are any others commercial sites seeing similar?


 2:28 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld is300. Yes, that is exactly what everyone is seeing. I have the same site coming back for some keywords, but still missing for others. It's very strange and while things have gotten better since last night, I hope there is still a long way to go.

Noogle seems to favor
1. Sites that are now deemed as authorities within their field/geographic location
2. Large directories (often end up as authorities)
3. .edu, .org, .pdf., /exec/obidos/*
4. Broad Matches

Noogle seems to downgrade the value of
1. Smaller commercial interests
2. Niche directories
3. Exact matches
4. Locally owned businesses

Now we just have to break down these generalizations into their smaller parts and see why the above seems to hold.


 2:31 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

It seems sites that have "keyword phrase" in the domain are not budging too much. However, sites that have different domain than keyword are back on the first page. This is only in my industry.

I'll 2nd that observation...

My client's site, with a domain along the lines of "MyCityKeyword.com" has had its position restored to page 1. However, her biggest competitor, with a domain of "My-City-Keyword.com" is still nowhere to be seen... << She's lov'n it, btw! >>


 3:00 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Our site is static, we lowered keyword density, and are back in the top 10.


 3:03 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

It seems sites that have "keyword phrase" in the domain are not budging too much. However, sites that have different domain than keyword are back on the first page. This is only in my industry.

Cool observation, bzprod.

Would that be a way to combat doorway pages/sites? I often see url's in the serps with a title "popular search term", and a url something like "www.popular-search-term.biz/r*n*t*nes.htm"... you click on it by mistake and suddenly you're on your way to some back-alley, fly-by-night outfit, that doesn't have "popular search term" anywhere, and you see the pop-up killer flashing before you manage to click out of it... if of course they don't try to send you around in an infinite loop when you hit the back button.

I might be wrong on that... I haven't really gotten a grip on understanding the whole doorway thing yet. I just stuff everything into one directory, on one domain.

<edit>misattributed the quote</edit>

<edit again>I think I was totally confused in the above... if a mod cruises by, feel free to remove this useless post.</edit again>

[edited by: Stefan at 3:18 am (utc) on Dec. 8, 2003]

Tropical Island

 3:08 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

our site is keyword1keyword2.com and we are now back at #3 for keyword1 keyword2. Static site.

We did some minor keyword text reduction about 10 days ago.


 3:22 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Static site with kw1kw2.com domain name. I made absolutely NO changes to anything. Back on top for major keywords and popping up all over for secondary keywords and unrelated keywords that only show up in, or close proximity to, outbound links. Also went from PR5 to PR6 with 10% increase in reported backlinks.


 3:44 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can anyone advise improvement on theirsubrub real estate.

I slightly dropped KW density on the 2 sites of mine that dumped, the non real estate site is now back at 12, down from 2, but up from gone totlaly... the real estate site is nowhere to be seen.

There are however, 27 pages in the top 100 that are link pages, linking to my site....


 3:53 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

My site is doing better today as well, I run an all content website (sell nothing, one of the sites you would have thought would have stayed at the top) Was position #2 or #3, dropped to PAGE 13 during this mess, am now at least on page 2 about half way down.

I did lessen the amount of keyword use I had, though hard to do when my site is called aboutwidgets.com and is about widgets and thats it lol

Glad to see things getting better, hope to be back on page 1 some day again soon! Have seen a huge drop in visitors these last few weeks since I wasn't showing up for my main two keywords anymore!

Good luck everyone, especially those of you who need your site for income!



 4:26 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wow! Starting to like the results now. Though I still see many problems for REAL ESTATE in YOUR CITY searches.

Filters seem to have layed off the "anchor text theory" a bit... Lets see what happens!


 5:00 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

My primary keyword is back. I am now #6. Pre-Florida I was #5. If I do a search keyword1 keyword2 -slkdf then I show up at #5, and the other results are somewhat different.

I made no changes to my site since Florida started. However, one new site did link to me. And they messed up the link text. The link text should have been Company Name Keyword1 Keyword2. They abbreviated Keyword2 to the point where it is meaningless to a Spider - stemming couldn't even interpret it as being related to Keyword2.

I have 2 subdomains that were top 5 ranked pre-Florida, and they have come back into the top 100. The subdomains use the format of keyword1-keyword2.mydomain.com . If you do a search for keyword1 keyword2 -slkdf on either of these keywords, the target subdomains show up at #1 and #2 respectively.

A number of other keywords I checked for have improved from the Flordai ranking down in the hundreds, but still are not back to their pre-Florida top 5 positions. My pages are static, and have the target keyword in the url hyphenated. My domain name has no keywords in it.

One of my pages that has ranked number 1 for the last year or more and stayed there through the Florida storm competes with 8M other sites. It is classic hub page - 50 or 60 links in a table with only 1 or 2 sentences of text on the page. A new link gets added to this page every month or two as I add an new article to my site. Although google returns a lot of results for this SERP, it isn't that competitive from other webmasters as not as much money can be made form it.


 5:16 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Are any of the returning sites new? The sites in my industry that have not returned are less than a year old. I wonder if age is a new part of the algorithm.


 5:20 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Was number 6 pre florida; after did not exist. Now I am 229. Not great, in fact no one will find me for my primary two word keyword at 229, but at least google knows that my index page exists again. Yes, I did cut down on that primary keyword density on the index page as much as I could, but because of the type of site I have it is impossible to eliminate that keyword.

[edited by: Iluvlabs at 5:27 am (utc) on Dec. 8, 2003]


 5:20 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

our site is keyword1keyword2.com and we are now back at #3 for keyword1 keyword2

Thanks for this insight. My site in question is "keyword1-keyword2.us" This is only obvious since this is also the name of my company, the name on my business cards, and the name on the plaza sign where my offices are. I still don't think that Google is treating keyword domains different, but out of 5 sites that I monitor in this industry, two are back on 1st page and have no keyword in domain. The other 3 are still kinda far down and all have keyword in the domain.

When I do "keyword1 keyword2 -dfsdfjkl" I come up number 2 and 3, and the other 3 sites are also top 7. Hmmm...time will tell. Good luck to all who are anxiously waiting to make it to the top again. It has been a hell of a ride and lots of lessons have been learned.


 5:45 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

For primary keyword phrase search, our whitehat site was #2 pre-florida. Held that positon for the last year or so. Still nowhere to be found. However, one of our comptetors who uses hidden text behind background is back from #12 pre-florida to number 2 now. :-( The pre-florida #1 site which uses keyword phrase in URL is at #11 now.

By the way, I reported the spam of the black hat site to google and apparently that does no good.


 5:54 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>> Has anybody been restored to their original position, that did not do any de-optimization.

Most are restored and very close to original position WITHOUT any de-optimization.

Some newer ones less than 6 months old do not appear to return at this moment although there are more backlinks and higher PR showing up.

It looks as though Google return link credit partially for the time being - just an observation.


 6:25 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

The same thing with me but new is my backlinks are also not listed :(

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