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PR/Backlink updating?

 8:48 am on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is anyone else seeing this this morning?
I see PR and backlinks updated on several of my sites as of this morning.
Did I miss mention of it in another thread?



 11:49 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing a respectable comeback on www2 & www3 for missing broad money terms on a crippled homepage. Fasten your seatbelts.


 11:50 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm clunk-clicking!


 11:50 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

yes, same here. -dc is the one to watch (from what i see)

More Traffic Please

 11:55 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Finally! Could this be the beginning of relevant SERP's?


 11:59 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I will - I see my major competitor at number two!
Where's me? =8-o


 12:04 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Good luck Miop.

(conversational post - mods delete)


[edited by: superscript at 12:06 am (utc) on Dec. 7, 2003]


 12:06 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

thank you ss.
However, I saw this last week briefly and only one site came back. One at a time for 10 weeks...I'll be a nervous wreck by then!


 12:09 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Am I seeing relevant SERPs! Or is it a herd of pigs flying over? My Googlebrow is now twitching like a dead search engine in a computer history magazine!


 12:14 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Bonne chance, mes amis. I hope some of the buried serps for white-hat sites are about to come back.

Although it was noted early on in Florida, the fact that Google prefers to use an older database for major algo changes seems to have been forgotten by some who got hammered. The freshdeepbot has been out and about... the rolling update continues to roll and some of you might see the effect kicking in now.

Good luck everyone.


 12:16 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google has tracking turned on, in www2.


 12:20 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

www2 and www3 im in #3 where I was previously #133, also pre-florida #1........weird


 12:23 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Oh they are definately turning the nob back now, probably phase 2 of the whole update.

Check out -dc


 12:25 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Lots of fresh sites moving in. Mostly the anchor text trash. It would make sense for fresh/new results to get most of their benefits from volume of anchor text since they don't have any other quality measure going for them. Unfortunately this is the problem with the fresh fetish, spam can vault to the top for awhile, and then new spam takes its place next month.

At the same time, it does look like some sites that didn't deserve to get lost are being found. If they are looked on as "fresh", and thus only ranking via anchor text factors, then it could make sense to see sites that were ranked #5 now ranked at #8 or so.


 12:47 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

steveb, you raise an interesting issue about anchor 'trash'. How come when these sites are gone, its all about no content, but when they are back, its anchor text?

Dont know if there is an answer, but either way it still points to flaws with google and the problem they have defining relevance. Florida seemed to be an attempt to do so with stemming in lieu of PageRank, but that had less than perfect results.


 12:56 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I didn't say I saw old anchor text trash, sites coming back, although some sites with lots of anchor text seem to have benefitted. I see new sites/pages, never ranked before, showing almost no backlinks, but ranking high for allinanchor.


Also, as I said above, fresh sites don't have all the ways to measure them that older sites do. So some sites get in at a "fresh" cycle, based on the limited appeal of their anchor text -- perhaps even with Google giving them "the benefit of the doubt" in thinking they will be full-blooded sites. But when the full/major updates come, these sites get dumped because they have nothing else going for them, no quality links, etc.

These days we get more "fresh" additions, and less full updates, so trash hangs around longer.


 1:08 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Got it.


 1:11 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

ww2 and 3 are moving, but is it a "turn the knob back" thing or a "time to get the rest" thing?

Time will tell!

More Traffic Please

 1:18 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

ww2 and 3 are moving, but is it a "turn the knob back" thing or a "time to get the rest" thing?
Time will tell!

I think it's a retreat from a Florida screw up that Google realized right off the bat. It's been about 20 days since Florida, I'm guessing this has to be one of the closest following updates in the history of the Google "traditional" updates.


 1:19 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Before Florida a PR4, during Florida PR5 as of 11:00PM last night a PR6. Still nothing in the SERPS, completely gone....Go figure.


 1:29 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

hehe I hope it was just a screwup and that things are gonna come back :)

As for the timing - Its a FULL moon tonight! Howlllllll


 2:07 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Clearly this isn't a rollback. Basic Florida results are still there, thankfully. Its the first addition of fresh to florida, which brings the addition of new junk plus some good sites who weren't invited to the dance last time around.


 2:13 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

In my "sample" of the web the sites so far coming back in -dc www2/3 are ones with directory listings.


 2:35 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Its the first addition of fresh to florida

With new backlinks & PR and movement on the scale that I at least haven't seen in 3 weeks? More than fresh it seems.


 4:13 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I win the record, PR 6 in 22 days. I just launched my third site and now it is PR 6! My other two sites are PR7 now too. If this helps SERPS I will start to get excited, but not until then...


 4:14 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I looked for changes in the real estate serps (on gv, 2,3) and saw no changes. I wish I could see what others are seeing :( It's looks pretty bad to me. Another lump of coal for Christmas.


 4:36 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

A friend launched a brand new site on November 19 and another one on November 22 and the first one has 68 backlinks and the newer one has 123 backlinks.


 5:00 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Quick question.

I just tried a phrase on the -dc datacenter. This phrase is a phrase that I have on every page of my site, and it is somewhat unique.

The SERPS that came back had the page that the phrase points to as the number one result.

I expected to see my homepage, or some other page of my site, listed within the SERPS, with the phrase highlighted.

Instead, the destination page was displayed, and the destination page does not have the phrase on it.

Do you think this means anything?


 5:07 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Do you think this means anything?"

It means anchor text still is the key thing.

A page doesn't need to have the words on it to rank well for it. If you put links with the link text of "abdtdrsre" on ten pages and pointed them at an eleventh page, the eleventh page would very likely be the one that would be returned as the main result for an abdtdrsre search.


 5:29 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I looked for changes in the real estate serps

Dig on www-dc. "mytown mystate real estate" (without quotes).


 5:56 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes! back in currently at #18.
So if I search for 'myarea weddings +irugfsd' will that bring back florida serps?;)


 5:59 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Finally they have come to there senses. Pre over 200 sites all in the top 3 positions for thier main, most competitive keywords. Completely out the door in the Florida update. But I see they have at least toned down the power of the filter, from Average search position of 146 sites main keywords:

Pre Florida 1.34
Florida 563
Post Florida 8.24

Thank god!

Please let this sitck.

PS -asdfasf to the search and they are again all back pre - florida.

This is what was intended by Google all along and I'm quite sure the original filter was out just to feel the vibs out here. I'll take 6,7,8,9,10,11,.... positions anytime ranther than the 20 page, right next to Orville Redenbacher popcorn factory :)

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