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Getting Back Into Google
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webdev




msg:157282
 12:39 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

One of my sites completed dissappeard from Google over this update, has been first page for 2 years and in the index for 6.

Some other sites in the same industry as myself also have the same problem.

What I would like to know is...

How do I know if this is a glitch or a forced penalty.

I have enough quality links to the site still that I am hoping will allow the site to be picked back up, however how can I tell if this is penalty related for some reason and will never be picked back up. Also what can I do to find out how long it will take to get back in the index....and no my hosts was not down at all.

I do not want to get rid of the domain because it is our companies main site and ranks extremely well in all other search engines

I wrote to G 2 weeks ago but no response....

 

webdev




msg:157283
 1:52 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I forgot to mention

I still have a PR of 5 and all backlinks still show using the link: command if that makes any diference, but url of site does not exist :(

Brett_Tabke




msg:157284
 2:03 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

> How do I know

You can only tell from the total referrals. 'course, that only works if you were getting some good referrals across more that a couple dozen kws.

webdev




msg:157285
 2:13 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google referrals are now 0 a loss of over 800+ uniques per day....in my logs not even the bot seems to be visiting....

To me it looks like a penalty...but I have no way of finding out....if, why etc... my own research is there is no obvious penalty reasons....hidden text, bad links etc..

However aside from being too individual of my own problems I'm trying to figure out how to correct whatever is wrong...I know there are others in the same boat. My site is not a few doorway pages...its a number of years work with a few hundred pages that all used to be indexed...now none...

The way I see this if a manual penalty is applied then can't a manual email be sent stating why and what to do...

If not then what next....

Most people seem to have dropped in the SERPS since the last update, I wish I had too I've dropped off the radar I don't even have a foundation to build on.

too much information




msg:157286
 2:42 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well don't give up yet. I don't think you have a penalty, I'm still not convenced that there are penalties. Google doesn't have enough time to worry about that.

I think what is happening is that you are probably showing up in searches that you are not aware of and neither are your visitors.

How is your site set up? Is it an information site or a store front? Do you have many outbound links? Are your pages targeted for keywords or do they cover an overall theme?

If your site is a PR 5 then Googlebot will be back eventually, have patience. In the mean time you may want to make sure your pages are not too specifically targeted. Make it more of a theme of the page content rather than the focus. Also try providing links to two or more 'expert' sites for your same topic.

If you are not getting the traffic it can't hurt to adjust your site just a little bit before your next crawl.

sparrow




msg:157287
 2:50 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Could some one enlighten me a little, I thought I understood what a "theme site" meant, but I guess I dont. Would someone please be so kind as to draw me a picture of a theme site versus a keyphrase site.

Thanks.

webdev




msg:157288
 2:54 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the info...much appreciated

I know this happened to 1 or two other sites in my category....and near the end of the last update...believe it or not I was rather pleased as my site seemed to do OK for most of the last update

But now not even showing my domain in the index by typing www.myurl.com, really worries me - what other explanation than a penaltu could there be.

I don't want to change too much as I haven't over done anything SEO etc and it ranks great in all the other engines...and did rank great in Google...

Is it possible that some sites have accidently been removed and will be picked back up...(please before Xmas)

FYI my site is themed as information (reviews etc on widgets ) and commerce (we sell the products that run on the widgets so to speak) ....very active forums etc too....now all the new sites showing on my main kw's sell the products that run on widgets but don't offer any info on the widgets..

I always built my site to do this as I believed content pages was best over hard sale pages....lots of hits occured due to people looking at widgets and then buying our products inadvertantly that run on these products....

too much information




msg:157289
 3:15 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

sparrow, what I mean by themed is a page that has content about widgets but isn't specifically targeted for a specific set of widget keywords.

Obviously a page that has a high keyword density for a specific phrase is targeted for that phrase and although I don't believe there is a penalty for it, if Google is using the broad match in their search then that page is not going to do as well because it is too specific.

Eljaybe




msg:157290
 3:28 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)
I am having the same problem with Google. Did they just recently update? My website has been ranking on Page 1 of results for a very competitive keyword. We were doing so well the last few months and suddenly my listing is no where to be found. How could my listing just drop out of the results? There has not been any major changes to my site and my PR is still good.
I wrote Google recently, but haven't heard back yet. I'm a Google Adwords advertiser so I was told to contact the Google search support team thru the contact page in my Adwords account. Supposedly, I will get an answer faster b/c I'm an Adwords advertiser- but we will see!
I hope one of us gets an answer soon.
Lawnboyronmiller




msg:157291
 3:34 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think you should just forget about Google. Getting back into it or whatever.

Getting back into google isnt much of a solution when overnight they can just kick you and everyone else off for no apparant reason/you did anything wrong.

So my advice just forget about Google. Its time to move on.

It abandoned many of us, so you Learn your lesson the hard way as many of us have and move on.

webdev




msg:157292
 3:40 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just a mention on the Adwords...I have an old Adwords account that I forgot about which I owe a few $ around $250, I had an email yesterday about this....the payment failed because I had a new card issued...so honest mistake...

Does anyone know if they would remove a URL because you have forgotten to pay an Adwords account....

May be worth chcking ...but I'd hope not...

Another thing that annoys me is over the last year Ive spent over $20,000 on AdWords...one blanket doesn't make up for a missing site :(

Is is too much to ask for a quick response....

PS Its the worst time to send emails to G due to the recent update they are probably receiving 100's per day...

webdev




msg:157293
 3:49 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Eljaybe

If you search for your domain using www.yoursite.com does it show up?

PS I'll PM you if I get a response, appreciate it if you could do the same for me.

DaveN




msg:157294
 3:49 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

webdev

you could always email adwords and tell them you are shutting down your campaign due to:

"the adwords campaign we where running in Google was always meant to compliment our listings in google, for some reason or other i can't find my site www.mysite.com anymore in google and can't see any reason why I should continue with this secondary advertising know that our primary listings have gone.

DaveN

webdev




msg:157295
 3:54 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yep could be an idea...but I'd expect them to say goodbye I'm small time compared to some....although this may not be an option for much longer the way my traffic is going...

Another odd thing is I'm an AdSense customer and show Google adds on the URL in question....so inadvertantly Google is hurting itself...albeit on a very small scale...

I'm a great believer in not giving up so I will continue to pursue Google as they have helped my business greatly over the last few years..and I'd like that to continue

shawn




msg:157296
 3:59 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have to say this last Florida update has been the worst for me. I was number one for the last 2 years for "mycity+Keyword+Keyword" and now have disappeared in to a black hole.

The results for this search use to give you about 15 other local competitors but now has only one local company listed in the number one spot. The remaining top 20 results are directories, link pages from other websites that linked to my site and other competitors, affiliate sites, and even a website for a popular singer who is now dead - (the web design firm who designed this site used CSS to hide a layer filled with spam).

I was also ranked in the top 15 for 5 other search terms, which were not highly competitive but maybe moderately (each returned 2-5 million results). These search terms are very competitive in the AdWords and Overture.

We cannot really afford any PPC campaigns for these terms; however, we may need to bite the bullet if things do not change.

We re-optimized our main index page. The only thing I can think is that maybe we were "over optimized" with anchor text etc and Google has now filtered for this?

I have saved the original page just in case I want to put it back up.

None of my clients were affected in this update - then again none of them are targeting fields that are highly competitive in Google AdWords.

Coincidence?

webdev




msg:157297
 4:04 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Shawn

My problem is not really about losing rankings...down to page 100 etc.. which I believe most people have and indeed you are experiencing...mine is about my URL being removed from the index.....

sorry just wanted to keep this thread on topic of being re-indexed into Google rather than optimising to get back to the first page...as there are lots of other posts covering this topic already

SlyOldDog




msg:157298
 4:16 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

you could always email adwords and tell them you are shutting down your campaign due to:

"the adwords campaign we where running in Google was always meant to compliment our listings in google, for some reason or other i can't find my site www.mysite.com anymore in google and can't see any reason why I should continue with this secondary advertising know that our primary listings have gone.

Funny you should say that. I already made up a draft but I haven't sent it because I thought they might visit the sites and ban the rest of my sites which got missed.

My main gist was that whilst we are still profitable, some offices will now close, and it is for those areas I will stop advertising on Adwords. So in actual fact although Adwords revenues will increase short term, I think a lot of entepreneurs will find it hard to manage without the free listings too, and the long term outlook for Google may be worse.

shawn




msg:157299
 4:42 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Shawn
My problem is not really about losing rankings...down to page 100 etc.. which I believe most people have and indeed you are experiencing...mine is about my URL being removed from the index.....

sorry just wanted to keep this thread on topic of being re-indexed into Google rather than optimising to get back to the first page...as there are lots of other posts covering this topic already

Wow...I did not realize you meant "missing" as in "gone" vanished! :)

I am still in the index, in fact I had a freshie tag of 11/28 a few days ago.

nmjudy




msg:157300
 4:53 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shawn-
I'm experiencing the same problem. I do web design for a tri-city area. For city1 keyword1 keyword2 I've been blown out of the water. Also for mystate keyword1 keyword2. However, city2 keyword1 keyword2 and city3 keyword1 keyword2 I'm ranking the same as pre-Florida. City2 and city3 are much less competitive than city1. I'm also showing the dead celebrity site on the 1st page of SERPS as well as his whole famn damily website (total spam). Another 2 positions are taken up by a site that uses javascript as CSS kinda sorta to hide anchor text that ranks them so high. They now dominate all keyword variations for city1. I've reported this site several times over the past 8 months and have given up that they'll be removed. We have 2 legitimate mycity keyword1 keyword2 in the first 40 results. Other results are directories or designers from other states (with no apparent spam). A few directories are mirrored sites. Isn't that a no-no too?

My husband and I are considering a move to Tucson and just for giggles, I searched for the competition before and after the Florida update (by using the -fdgd -hfh trick) for that city. The dead celebrity's site is there as well.

I guess the way to rank well in the new Google for our keywords is to:
- be a dead celebrity
- be related to a dead celebrity
- know how to spam really really well
- remove all occurances of your location name from your pages and see what you show up for

shawn




msg:157301
 5:11 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

nmjudy,

I sent you a sticky mail.

webdev




msg:157302
 5:15 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>I am still in the index, in fact I had a freshie tag of 11/28 a few days ago

No showing off now :)

back on topic...has this happened to anyone else...and do you have any guidance please or possible theories as to why it has happened.

webdev




msg:157303
 8:51 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google Adwords all paid off tonight too :)

mil2k




msg:157304
 9:12 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

has this happened to anyone else...

There are previous instances where this seems to have happened. You can try and sticky the respective persons who were affected in these threads :-

Google Partial indexing? [webmasterworld.com]

Google slow death? [webmasterworld.com]

But for these guys it was not during an update that the site disappeared. It was just before the Godaddy server issues. And the site did not disaapear overnight. It started first by decreasing the number of indexed pages, then titles and cache disappearing and then finally thrown out of index. If you contacted google you got a canned reply about Partial indexing. Some of the sites in concern were PR 5.

webdev




msg:157305
 3:01 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Has anyone actally had a real reply back from Google regarding any individual issues.....if so what email address did you use.

Hissingsid




msg:157306
 3:11 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Has anyone actally had a real reply back from Google regarding any individual issues.....if so what email address did you use.

Hi,

I wrote to help@google.com and got a canned reply. So I sent it back with some vitreol telling them to do me the courtesy of reading my carefully crafted message before sending me something straight off the boiler plate.

I got a prompt reply back saying that they had indeed read it and had passed it on to their engineers. I hope they read the bit begging them to remove my most important keywords from their spam filter ;-)

Anyway I at least know that someone read it before sending me all of their fluff and links to "How to build a crawler friendly web site".

Best wishes

Sid

Eljaybe




msg:157307
 3:30 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I submitted an email to Google thru Adwords in hope for a faster reply as to why my listing dropped out of search results for my best keyword phrase. Adwords said they passed on my note to Google's search support team. Here's some of the key points of Adwords' reply:

"As you know, results in our index change regularly based on ongoing, automated processes aimed at improving the quality and content of our search results. Changes you observe may include, but are not limited to, addition of new sites, changes in the ranking of existing sites, sites falling out of the index or getting dropped and sites' content fluctuating between old and new content.

We realize these changes can be confusing. However, these processes are completely automated and not indicative of wrong-doing or penalization of individual sites.
We currently include over three billion pages in our index and it is certainly our intent to represent the content of the Internet fairly and accurately. The ongoing changes you have observed are part of this effort."

I don't know if this helps us any, but hopefully I'll receive a better explanation from Google's search support.

naturalinstinct




msg:157308
 3:41 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I also wrote to google and told them that we were cancelling our adwords account (previously about 1000 per month so not huge) because we couldn't afford to now we've lost our SERPS.

Doubt they will take any notice unless thousands of companies do the same but i took great pleasure in telling them what a mistake they've made.

Chndru




msg:157309
 4:25 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

>what a mistake they've made.

And the mistake is?

mil2k




msg:157310
 4:34 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

"As you know, results in our index change regularly based on ongoing, automated processes aimed at improving the quality and content of our search results. Changes you observe may include, but are not limited to, addition of new sites, changes in the ranking of existing sites, sites falling out of the index or getting dropped and sites' content fluctuating between old and new content.

We realize these changes can be confusing. However, these processes are completely automated and not indicative of wrong-doing or penalization of individual sites.
We currently include over three billion pages in our index and it is certainly our intent to represent the content of the Internet fairly and accurately. The ongoing changes you have observed are part of this effort."

That is a canned reply :)

mquarles




msg:157311
 4:45 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Umm, naturalinstinct,

That doesn't seem to make sense. If your AdWords were making you money before, they should be making you money now, and stopping them will make you lose money.

That's like companies that cut back on advertising during a recession, when they should be increasing it and taking market share like the smart, long-term players do.

And, back to the question of the thread, AdWords certainly is the simplest way to "get back into Google" while we figure out how to get back on the free side.

MQ

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