| 3:35 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I've noticed the same thing for our keyphrases and the returned SERPS (travel industry related).
| 3:39 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
| 3:40 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
You mean to say you have not noticed Dmoz and Google directory in the serps alongwith Amazon, Ebay and Yahoo stores? :)
| 4:08 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
It is starting to get very annoying. Plus, many times the page you go to from google is not even relevant to the search.
Get on the case GG.
| 5:50 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Blogs, outdated news items, Amazon pages, spammers and message boards are having a whale of a time at the moment.
The filters have taken the cream off the milk and we are left with what ever happens to be underneath.
I feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall here. Because we still have no direct comments regarding the "keyword -asdfj" senario from Googleguy, so I guess we are correct in saying that commercial filters are in place?
| 6:05 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Amazon listings are all over , most of cases irrelevent.. just appearing as the Adsense column contain those searched topics.
| 6:09 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
amazon, ebay, mega shopping portals, and outdated directories rule the commercial serps.
This is why the statment that "For every webmaster that is complaining, one is equally happy" is complete and utter nonsense.
Thousands of small businesses and content sites have been replaced by semi-relevant large sites with no focus on the topic.
Google is a great "book" search engine now.
| 6:18 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Just as a consumer I've been really annoyed with what Google has in their top listings. If I want a bronze clock I want to find the pages with bronze clocks. I DON'T want to be led to every page that has ever linked to a bronze clock. It's been really frustrating. I go to Google to find the items I want not to find another search that might or might no find that bronze clock. <sigh>
| 6:22 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Why would you consider an eBay Store any less relevant to a particular topic than a non-eBay retail site?
If you're looking to buy fuzzy widgets, why wouldn't you want the SERPS to include the eBay Fuzzy Widget Store?
| 6:28 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Its a matter of More relevence
Why would a "clean" site totally based on fuzzy widgets should be buried down and A SINGLE AMAZON Page offering a book about fuzzy widgets should be in top 3?
| 7:07 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Well I've been rooting for Google to hold the #1 position as the best search engine but these serps have me concerned.
And it's not that I was hurt by Florida ... somehow my sites were spared ... but then I'm pretty much off the competitive keywords radar screens these days.
Florida left me unscathed but I'll lose traffic if people quit coming to Google and it won't surprise me if that's already starting to happen when I have to wade through those Amazon/Ebay/YahooStores/OutdatedDirectory/MegaShoppingSpam sites.
| 7:22 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I searched for birthday e-cards yesterday to send my friend a birthday card, first thing that comes up is a spanish semi-porn site.
I also tried searching for some programming stuff. Before the update i used to get pages of relevant code samples from various sites. Now all i get are pages of friggen sites linking to books.
For this kind of every day stuff i will switch to another search engine. There is no point in wasting hours trying to find something that used to take only a few minutes.
| 7:45 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
From my point of view there has been a steady increase in Amazon / eBay / Epinions / Bizrate etc etc in the SERP's since Dominic. Florida seems to have compounded the issue by forcing the smaller site out of the listings altogether, leaving the mega portals.
The thing that Google seems to have overlooked is that a small site needs to be focussed, it needs good titles and headings, descriptions and title tags otherwise they would not get seen. Now Google has just shifted the goal posts altogether in favour of the big time sites who really couldn't care less about "specialized blue widgets", but the small fry hobbiest with a site about "specialized blue widgets" has vanished, leaving the searching public with nothing but crap, commercial listings.
Of course it is not difficult to go overboard and predict the end, but I cannot help but see the increased Amazon / directories presence in the SERP's correlating with the IPO. It's as if Google is pandering to large corporations. All I can say is that if we think it is bad now, just wait until Google has a babble of profit hungry Wall Street stock brokers looking for a good return on their investment
I believe it is inevitable that Google will become a harder place for small time independents to co-exist with corporations. It might sound depressing, but there you are.
| 9:42 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Almost all Amazon/Ebay/YahooStores/OutdatedDirectory/MegaShoppingSpam sites using Google Adsense.
Cant it be "Please us Adwords to be benefited on SERP not only by special listing RATHER YOU'LL BE ON PAGES WHICH TOPS THE SERP"?
A Bigger Google Seduction ;-)
| 9:53 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Perhaps one of the Google programmers accidentally filtered out all sites but the spammy ones, when they intented the opposite? That is about what I see. For several of my top keywords, the top 10 results are all now amazon/ebay/bizrate type sites or spammy search results pages from an Overture/Findwhat types of affiliates. Most of the information sites seem to have been purged.
| 9:54 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I can't believe nobody has any real answers to figuring out this stupid Google algo. And I'm really ticked at those that know the algo secret and aren't sharing!
| 10:20 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Har! If I had the "algo secret" I wouldn't share either, leastways not until my own site(s) were firmly anchored at the top. :D
One of my sites, selling tightly niched professional widgets and thoroughly clean, was blown out of the top results water by Florida, to be replaced with a ton of irrelevant .gov, .edu, and .org sites wich have the keywords somewehere in them but are useless to anyone searching for 'professional widgets'.
All my competitors were likewise relegated to SERP Siberia. Except for.... one old site of mine, which quietly sells professional widgets, is not optimized or linked to by anyone, but is ...*drumroll*... sitting on a Yahoo Stores server, using a store.yahoo/username URL. It shows up on the second page of SERPs, and is the ONLY link where a surfer could actually find a professional widget anywhere within reason (the next relevant result is around #120).
Pretty freaky, considering that pre-Florida, that link showed up somewhere around #90 and rarely got any direct-from-google clicks. Mind you, that is not the URL that my AdWords ads or account use, Google has no idea that site belongs to one of their AdWords customers.
Oh, another clue: put in 'professional widgets anyword' and there's my site on the first page again, right where it was before...
| 10:57 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Well, crankin, those numbers match with mine. You moved up almost 80 positions because 80-90% of the results were banished to Siberia.
80-90%? Yes. I have one search term where it looks like all but about a half dozen of the top 100 listings that were there before are now out of the top 100.
| 2:24 am on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Why would you consider an eBay Store any less relevant to a particular topic than a non-eBay retail site? |
If you're looking to buy fuzzy widgets, why wouldn't you want the SERPS to include the eBay Fuzzy Widget Store?
I wouldn't mind if the search took me directly to the page selling what I am looking for. But instead I'm getting general Ebay or whatever pages and still have to search through their site.
I wonder if part of the problem is that Google no longer has a way to tell if the page just mentions the key word once or is a page solely about that topic. Maybe they are no longer looking at keywords in the text because of spammers. But then they are left with no measure of specificity.
| 2:47 am on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>Yahoo Stores server, using a store.yahoo/username URL<
Any chance that the navigation menu on that store is not done with text links but rather with images?
| 3:04 am on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Here's an interesting observation. (I doubt you can conclude much from it...).
I have a page about Ghengis Khan's Silken Underpants but when I type in that precise search term, I only get one of my pages about Mark Antony's Leather Jockstrap at #4 and one of my pages about Undergarments worn by Generals of Yore at #5...
Ghengis' briefs are nowhere to be seen...
However, if I then type in Mark Antony's Leather Jockstrap, this particular piece of Roman armoury also vanishes in the wind...
| 6:17 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
pmac: yes, by default all Yahoo Stores templates use images for their menus. There is some text linking if you are on a section's index page.
ronin: ROFL. No wonder my wife says I'm hard to shop for online, poor gal just can't find the right set of booty covers using Google!
| 7:34 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
The Amazon, Yahoo, Bizrate, Shopping.com sites are irrelevant because the results are so general. You have to search to search some more. I want to find something in google and have it take me directly to what I am looking for. Now I have to sift through pure trash results to find anything! How frustrating.
| 8:03 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Ghengis' briefs are nowhere to be seen... |
I certainly hope not :P
But, G relevance has stooped.
| 8:09 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
My current theory is that it is all down to a new concept called 'extremely broad relevancy'
For example, you type in 'fish' and get a hairdresser's site because they specialise in 70s style 'Mullet' haircuts.
I, for one, am perfectly happy with the SERPs, as I needed a haircut. Thanks Google!
p.s. I later went to Altavista and found a site about fish!
p.p.s. Not entirely happy with the haircut though!
p.p.p.s. I think I mistyped - I meant 'extremely broad irrelevancy'
| 11:44 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|For example, you type in 'fish' and get a hairdresser's site because they specialise in 70s style 'Mullet' haircuts. |
When searching for sea life, you find sites about haircuts. My point about Google relevancy has been proven.
| 11:58 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>> I only get one of my pages about Mark Antony's Leather Jockstrap at #4 and one of my pages about Undergarments worn by Generals of Yore at #5...
Ronin, Ronin...I gotta ask. What do you sell? People search for that stuff? Man, I gotta get out more.
| 12:00 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Let's see.... who has the money? Who can afford massive advertising campaigns...
Looks like Google is selling out..... can you blame them? They're in it for the $.
| 2:49 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I have also noticed the same for our search terms.
Those who used to be in the top 10 for the last 2 years are now out.
Only one of the 10 stayed in the top 10 and the only reason is that the site is there is because it has a a hosting provider that has both the domain name and a personal page that gets linked to it.
This site used to be in the top 10 with the address of
now it is found under in the top 10
The above site has not changed it's html at all.
The above site is ranking high because I think, from what I see replaced the original top ten sites for this search term, the html is below the root directory of the domain.
This would be the reason for Amazon and the others to be ranking higher. If you notice most top 10 are
If anyone wants keywords and examples of what the search looked like before the Florida update, PM me.
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