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Pages still in with PR but no Description or Title!
4000+ pages all retaining their PR but no Desc nor Title
super_seo

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Msg#: 18480 posted 7:34 am on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

I dont know whats happened, but sometime around the 21st of Oct. the titles and descriptions for 4000+ (all) of my pages just disappeared along with of course my positions! The PR for the time being is holding strong but what the hell could be going on here. Spiders havent been by for more than 2 weeks now.

Help please
suggestions?

 

spud01

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 7:05 pm on Jan 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

super_seo or you had some divine intervention.

Good to hear u've cracked it..we hope fingers x. =]

dirkz

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Msg#: 18480 posted 12:04 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

> Care to expand?

Still there are redirects a competitor could use to damage your site (I remember a few threads in this forum). If this is the case, no 301 will save you.

wanna_learn

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Msg#: 18480 posted 8:27 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

super_seo
I just found that Google is approaching my old IP
I changed the host an year back, and after that there were quite a lot daily activity on new IP for 10 Months.

All of sudden, google started scratching old IP.

What the heck is going on?

Trawler

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 11:48 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

wanna_learn >

All of sudden, google started scratching old IP.

___

Yes, I have seen that also. Three times!

It occurred just before ALL THREE of my sites disappeared. In each case the old ip's were hit within one week of the new sites dissapearence.

I'm convinced beyond a doubt that Google is somehow using whois records or spidering old out of date domain listing sites, and this is causing that situation.

Sure hope It dosen't happen to you. It is really frustrating.

I am almost paronoid about IP changes that i really need to make on a few sites.

GodLikeLotus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 2:22 am on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

We now have some pages showing Title's and Descriptions on some of the DC's with "Supplemental Result" next to them.

The cache version that Google is showing for these pages is at least 7 months old.

Abigail

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Msg#: 18480 posted 7:20 am on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I posted something about this happening to my site a few months ago. I am seriously considering changing webhosts and thereby changing IP address just to see if that will help - I have gone from over 400 pages to 0 back to 150 and down to 28 - at first I though it was a penalty but after reading all these posts I don't think so. I have had no redirects and done none of the above I have been reading in this post. I don't feel I have anything to lose by trying the change of IP - I am going to give it a try and see what happens.

Abigail

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Msg#: 18480 posted 4:07 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just noticed something - their are 2 of my pages that have retained their description etc, both those pages are listed in the index without the "www" the other ones are all showing the "www" and only show the url. What does it mean? Is it a clue?

wanna_learn

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 9:49 pm on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Abigail,
It may mean that
1) you do not have any redirect on non -www version (site.com)
2) From some referal Link, Googlebot crawled non -www and indexed it like site.com/x.htm, site.com/y.htm
3) and this may have shooted the Mirrored Content Penalty, by comparing www and non -www version.

This happened to 1 of my slow death site too.
I still have 2 pages in index without -www and with tag of supplemental results.

Trawler,
Yeah Google is 100% having problem with dns cache

Abigail

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 1:27 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

So how do I get a redirect onto the non www page - I don't understand is it done from my side or my webhosting side. I have another very large site and I know that there are a few of those non www pages caught in Google's index for that one and I am just terrified after reading all this.

dirkz

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 8:38 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

> So how do I get a redirect onto the non www page

Search for 301 in WW.

[webmasterworld.com...]
[webmasterworld.com...]

DaveN

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 1:23 pm on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Any of you guys that have been hit by this on a fixed IP NOT shared IP address

Dave

spud01

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Msg#: 18480 posted 2:17 pm on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I came across a similar thread on WW [webmasterworld.com...] 3/20099.htm in which msg #:6 mentions the following

The strange thing was that some pages from a site had a description and others had none though they were more or less identitcal (e.g. if one page was for big blue gadgets and the other one for small blue gadgets, both with a description for blue gadgets then only one showed a description on Google). All similar pages were listed but most of them with no description. That is where the thought about the penalty comes from.

Has this been disproved or confirmed?

The reason I say this is because, will a company name listed in the title of every page and then again listed in the body of the pages be considered by the algo as a duplicate?

Ledfish

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 2:36 pm on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Spud

I think if the title is the same on all pages, it is definitely not a good thing. Another thing I have noticed is that putting the company name last seems to be worthwhile, thus putting the most relevant unique words first, then the more common word and then the duplicate words.

For example:

round big blue widgets - Company name
square big blue widgets - Company name
round small blue widgets - Company name
square small blue widgets - Company name

and so on.

GodLikeLotus

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Msg#: 18480 posted 6:47 pm on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just to make things even more confusing we now have one page with the description and Similar page thing, showing up twice. Its on page 2 and 3, the majority of other results are just showing the URL and a few other are the Supplemental Results. This is showing on Google DC -ex.

GodLikeLotus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 3:06 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

How do you know if this is happening to your sites? I have just found a different site with 5 pages showing the dreaded systems. It was by complete chance that I found them. How can this be, other pages in the same site are showing a cache from 2 days ago. The difference here is the PR has gone to 0 from 3. Something is wrong, some pages are showing a description which is a list of cities which are in a drop-down menu, I though Google ignores drop downs.

zgb999

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 11:08 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sprud

The company name as title on all pages is certainly not a good idea but it will not give you a duplicate penalty.

What we found was that pages (on the same site) that were similar to each other (different product variations but same description for all products) got a near duplicate status. One of the pages was indexed fully and its Title and description is shown.

For all other pages with variations of that product no description is showing up.

All similar pages are listed if I use site:domain.com +"www.domain.com" with duplicate filter=0 but apart from one of them all are listed with no description.

GodLikeLotus

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Msg#: 18480 posted 1:10 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone recovered yet from this? Should I 301 the whole site to a new domain and start again or just sit and wait weeks, months or even years for something to happen like Googlebot to return? As a joke Google still update the PR and backlinks even though they don't care to index the site.

webdev

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Msg#: 18480 posted 1:51 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site is still sitting in the same position too..

Searching for it in any shape of form is doesn't exist, all backlinks are removed (This happened recently 1-2 weeks ago) but it still has a PR of 5

How can is have a PR if it not in the index?

Its a waiting game I'm afraid

FYI I have over 1000 good quality links, over 800 good content pages and at least 7 PR8 sites linking one way not reciprical.

Did anyone ever get a reply from Googleguy on this topic.

GodLikeLotus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 8:17 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Seems the "Oxford English Dictionary" site
[oed.com...] is also suffering the same fate, even with its PR of 9. Only shows 43 pages and almost all pages left only have the URL and Similiar Pages link.

super_seo

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Msg#: 18480 posted 8:05 am on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

13,000 pages in and thousands of links showing but still no PR change. google is hitting 600+ visits a day 1700 pageviews a day on average.

The last PR update or what ever its called, however showed no PR change. :(

It may be that the links are just now coming in and it may be the site isnt yet completely spidered. But why are the links changing yet yahoo.com shows no links change yet. This is getting weird. All pages that have been spidered and included in the index are showing a 0 Pr or white bar.

wanna_learn

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 12:14 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

GodLikeLotus

Excellent Example of google screwing!

nileshkurhade

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Msg#: 18480 posted 12:21 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Seems the "Oxford English Dictionary" site [oed.com...] is also suffering the same fate, even with its PR of 9. Only shows 43 pages and almost all pages left only have the URL and Similiar Pages link.

The robots.txt of [oed.com...] looks like below, is it the reason why there are only 43 pages indexed.

User-agent: *
Disallow: /accesslogs/
Disallow: /ads/
Disallow: /apps/
Disallow: /backtocs/
Disallow: /browse/
Disallow: /cgi/
Disallow: /conf/
Disallow: /content/
Disallow: /content
Disallow: /feature/
Disallow: /future/
Disallow: /guides/
Disallow: /home/
Disallow: /help/
Disallow: /icons/
Disallow: /include/
Disallow: /math/
Disallow: /subscribe/
Disallow: /news/
Disallow: /about/
Disallow: /services/
Disallow: /framesok/
Disallow: /general/
Disallow: /pdfs/
Disallow: /readers/
Disallow: /tour/
Disallow: /archive/

steveb

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Msg#: 18480 posted 12:27 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

What am I missing? oed.com shows 1960 pages, while www.oed.com shows 387. Where are you seeing 43?

GodLikeLotus

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Msg#: 18480 posted 5:42 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you do this search you will some very strange results site:www.oed.com oxford

Their robots.txt was pointed out to me this morning.

There is however a MAJOR problem.
Where is their homepage is the serps? This is not banned by the robots.txt. Also only 4 pages show a cache link in the serps and they are ALL "Page not Found"

Come on Google, I may not know much about this crazy search engine world but I can see this is not right.

Wait, just looked at their homepage
<meta name="robots" content="noarchive">

Maybe they have just decided to ban all robots, why? With this above why is google still looking at some of their pages?

hotmetal

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 8:12 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

noarchive!= noindex. The pages just won't be cached.

GodLikeLotus

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Msg#: 18480 posted 10:17 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

www.oed.com
<meta name="robots" content="noarchive">

I think I'm going mad, of course this means "no cache" and not do not index.

So where is the homepage? It's PR 9,

Now only showing 34 pages and still no homepage.

steveb

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Msg#: 18480 posted 11:26 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'll ask again... site:oed.com -qwerrew is showing 2,190 results. site:www.oed.com -qwerrew shows 612.

Where the heck are you getting 34?

GodLikeLotus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 12:17 am on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Steveb
search for: site:www.oed.com oxford

The pages are vanishes are we speak, now showing only 34, and once again "No Homepage"

Check again the results for your search.

site:oed.com -qwerrew is now showing 1470

Now seeing "Supplemental Result" on some of the DC's.

site:www.oed.com -qwerrew is now showing 230

Can I really be the only one who can see this.

GodLikeLotus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 1:09 am on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

site:www.oed.com oxford

DC -ex 236
DC -ab 30
DC -in 249
DC -cw 250
DC -kr 40
DC -lm 40

Again, where is their homepage?

steveb

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Msg#: 18480 posted 2:44 am on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm getting between 181 and 250 on all datacenters for... site:www.oed.com oxford

Almost all the pages seem to be from the /newsletters/ sub-directory

spud01

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18480 posted 9:27 am on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

can we now say google is going through bad patch?
or we have no clue whats going on and just how google is intended to behave.

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