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How may front pages did you lose?
Google kicks clean html front pages
stinkfoot

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Msg#: 18471 posted 1:08 am on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I lost 2 top ranking front pages
All other pages on the sites still getting a few hits
both still top ranked by msn
urls = keyword1 - keyword2 - keyword3 - keyword4

Anyone else with losses please post like to get an idea of simliarities

 

imotivate

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Msg#: 18471 posted 4:51 am on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've been on page 1 or 2 of my search words for years. Now my top page is GONE and my back pages still exist. What's up?

mcavic

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Msg#: 18471 posted 5:36 am on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

This has happened to me once or twice in the last month or so, but the page came back in a few days.

markis00

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Msg#: 18471 posted 8:50 am on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

My home page is gone from SERPS. Completely. I just started a new site so was only listed as position 200-300 on the SERPS, but that dosen't seem to have mattered...

bekyed

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 18471 posted 12:18 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Same here - we have been at no2 for a very competitive search term and we have dropped to 187.
This has only happened on our main search terms, but i have now decreased the keywords on the page and will let you know of my findings in a few days as i think keyword density has a lot to do with the new algorithm hence all the crap sites in the serps

Bek

bpresent



 
Msg#: 18471 posted 1:06 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

hence all the crap sites in the serps

What?!? You mean the sites that aren't keyword stuffing are getting a look in! Oh my God! What's the world coming to!?! ;)

I must say I've had some weird results in the last week - the pages are fine on some keywords / phrases and beyond 100 for others where they used to be top 10.

CygnusX1

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Msg#: 18471 posted 1:27 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have to agree. All of my pages are doing very well and many of the other websites I compeat with have lost in their listings. I think this update that goggle had is GREAT! Of course I have always tried not to break the rules, but thats not to say I don't bend them a little. LOL :)

natim

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Msg#: 18471 posted 2:35 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I lost 9 top 10 including 6 top 5's. No spam, no hidden text, etc. Just gone with no explanation.

I do have a malicious competitor that I received word filed an erroneous report with google.My lawyer has already sent him a C&D several months ago but he won't give up. It borders on harrassment. Does anyone know the proper procedure for contacting google to dispute his complaint. It's pure jealousy on his part but he is very malicious.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 18471 posted 5:12 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

One of my index pages with a #1 ranking has disappeared, but an inside page is in the #5 position for the same keyphrase, so I assume this is just a temporary glitch.

lasko

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Msg#: 18471 posted 5:30 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

One of my index pages with a #1 ranking has disappeared, but an inside page is in the #5 position for the same keyphrase, so I assume this is just a temporary glitch.

That happened to me, then a couple of days later even my internal pages dropped :(

It will all come back, eventually :)

skipfactor

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Msg#: 18471 posted 5:37 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>That happened to me, then a couple of days later even my internal pages dropped

My internal pages are dropping now too. Mix up a stiff one, looks like another long week.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 18471 posted 6:01 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've looked at over 15 "lost index pages". All 15 were webmaster fault.

Duplicate content on www.domain.com vs domain.com.

GoogleGuy

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Msg#: 18471 posted 6:07 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Interesting--thanks for that data point Brett. Personally, I'd pick one (www. or not www.) and stick with that. Either way works, although I think most people are used to the www.mydomain.com version instead of the mydomain.com version. I'd go ahead and do a 301 from the version that you don't use to the version that you do use, e.g. mydomain.com does a 301 redirect to www.mydomain.com.

lasko

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Msg#: 18471 posted 6:08 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)


I've looked at over 15 "lost index pages". All 15 were webmaster fault.

Your right but I think in my case my index pages are still in Google just been replaced by internal pages.

I think we have two issues where by some have lost the index.htm altogether and others have had their normal ranking paged replaced by an internal page.

This I believe is just an update glitch which time will tell, as we have been here before.

bekyed

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Msg#: 18471 posted 6:35 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

How do you do a 301?

Bek

bekyed

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Msg#: 18471 posted 6:38 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

My competitor has tons of duplicate pages and hidden text and is at no1 still

unfair Googleguy

I have reported this page numerous times without success, i am beginning to think they are in with google

Bek.

aubic

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Msg#: 18471 posted 7:49 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi - just joined the forum when I came across your postings regarding pages disappearing from google. I've been tearing my hair out this weekend. I'm not particularly clued up on the whole google spider thing. I've kind of taken my google position for granted because my site has been at the top for my keywords for a couple of years.

Then I decided to redesign my site (which had become a beast). I guess I must have loaded it up within hours of this google shake up? None of my page titles or text had changed - I just tidied my files up and changed the nav bar.

Anyway all of a sudden I'm nowhere for my main keywords and just before the Christmas rush too! You think this is temporary and will sort itself out right?....because that would be nice.

Jus

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 18471 posted 8:12 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I seem to have lost the index pages to my "sites within a site," possibly for two reasons:

1) Single-keyword links pointing to those sites; and--just as important--

2) The fact that the links point to separate domains (which happen to have redirects that take the user to an internal index page).

In other words, if I have an information site about doughnuts called Doughnuts.com with a subsite about crullers:

- A "Crullers" navigation link on my Doughnuts.com index page points to crullers.com, which is widely recognized as a leading source of information on crullers.

- Crullers.com redirects to doughnuts.com/crullers/index.htm--not for SEO reasons, but because it's cheaper and more convenient for me to have my several "site within a site" pages under the doughnuts.com domain than to host each separately. (Or at least it seemed that way back in 2001 when I set up my current doughnuts sites.)

It's possible that Google just sees a couple of thousand pages on my site pointing to other domains such as crullers.com (even though they're actually internal pages) and thinks "Aha, something sneaky is afoot." If those links had pointed to the internal URLs, such as doughnuts/com/crullers/index.htm instead of crullers.com, Google might have figured "These are okay, because they're internal links, not external links" and left the index pages alone.

(Obviously, Google can't be too agressive in filtering single- or double-keyword internal links, because that wouldn't make sense. A site like llbean.com is obviously going to use a keyword like "parkas" for its parkas section, for example, just as doughnuts.com is going to use the single keyword "crullers" for an internal page about crullers.)

Anyway, I'm going to change my internal links from "crullers.com" to "doughnuts.com/crullers/index.htm" as a precautionary measure, and with luck that will solve the problem over time if Google continues to use its very aggressive single-keyword/external link filter.

[edited by: europeforvisitors at 8:18 pm (utc) on Nov. 23, 2003]

Cashcows

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Msg#: 18471 posted 8:16 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have also had top ten pages drop (but they are still in the index, just over 100 or so down) that have been there for months! I do not believe this is a glitch. My pages were very clean, yes keyword rich, but the other sites in the index now that hold those spots in many caes are just as keyword rich in many cases.

I think you guys saying they will come back are wishing, but in fact I do not think they are coming back.

I also notice the under my keywords on two of the keywords the total search results went from 700,000 to over 1,000,000 that over 300,000 new pages to compete with some of which have done a better job than I have at SEO or are just lucky to have the right mix of what google is looking for. All of my top pages have dropped the only ones that have stayed the same are those in non competitive catagories. This leads me to believe that better pages are now in the index than I was competeing with before rather than an alg change. Any way this really does SUCK!

But it all part of SEO.

AthlonInside

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Msg#: 18471 posted 8:43 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

> Duplicate content on www.domain.com vs domain.com.

99% of sites has duplicate contents on www.domain.com vs domain.com and they never do a 301. So I don't think it is related to the missing index page issue.

Stefan

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Msg#: 18471 posted 10:42 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Althloninside, it can most definitely get rid of the default page... I know from personal experience back last May/June. In my case it was one person linking as site.org and another as www.site.org/?theirsite.com. I knew them both, they changed things, and as soon everyone had been re-crawled, the index was back. It was covered once again in a thread here just before the update... the code is even in the library, or tools or something, here on the site for the redirect.

Man, all these people going on about index pages missing and a lot of them are only that.

ALbino

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Msg#: 18471 posted 10:50 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've lost a ton of category overview pages with my SERPs being replaced by the individual items that those pages link to. In fact, many of the category pages are now grey barred (my site is a PR7 and those pages were previously PR5's). One three word keyword combo I track went from #6 as a category page to #48 as a deeper product/item page. What's odd is that the only page linking to the product page is the category page. If the category page is grey barred and isn't even in Google (it returns no results) then how in the world is the page that it links to in the index and ranking? It makes no sense and I'm thoroughly confused. I guess I'll just wait it out and hope something changes :)

steveb

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Msg#: 18471 posted 11:05 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

May/June Google was not handling domain.com and www.domain.com very well. Since then it has been doing much better. I'd seldom see both those in the index for a site. As of Florida, using site:site.com -tsrsrs I now see site.com and www.site.com listed separately again for one site I have. (I can't use a 301 redirect since I use that nefarious Microsoft publishing product whose extensions don't allow 301 redirects.) The backlinks and PR are the same, so I haven't thought much about it.

At the same time, for months my rankings for a couple search terms stunk in part because the pages with those keywords had URLs like site.com/pages/zy/page1.html Bottom line the URL didn't have any useful words in it, and was kinda long. So I moved the pages to like site.com/how-to-widget/ I changed all the links and (again because I can't use 301) I left a page in the old slot that was blank except saying something like "click link for new page location". I knew now that the old page had no links it would fade out of the index in a month or so and I'd delete it, but till then it would catch a bit of traffic and send it to the right place.

First thing, Google crawls /how-to-widget/ right away. It gets a white bar. A few days later the bar goes grey as Google recognizes it as duplicate content of page1.html -- but it will still appear in the serps if you search for keyword -page1, which excludes my old page.

All of the above is normal and what I expected. Now the strange part. It turns out that my old page1.html is crawled by Google on its own, even though there are now no links to it. So in the cache for page1.html we now see the mostly blank page with links to the new page location. I figure this is great as this should make the new /how-to-widget/ page appear in the serps now because Google doesn't recognize it as duplicate content, right? Wrong. When I looked at the cache of /how-to-widget/ I was shocked to see the new cache of page1.html (just the blank page with a link), even though the /how-to-widget/ page is itself crawled everyday.

In other words my content was now cached nowhere -- however, page1.html was still showing in the serps based on the old content, not the cache. It was like Google was remembering these two pages as duplicates, was ranking them based on that content, but was showing caches on both for the new/nearly-blank page1.html text.

I've now gone and added links to the old page, so Google is now cacheing the new page and the old page with different content, so the problem will be solved in a day or two, but the point is, I'm thinking that Google has increased its policing of duplicate content, and it still has some bugs in that.

Iluvlabs

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Msg#: 18471 posted 11:08 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi,
I am new here. It looks like I am not the only one with this problem. I have a website index page that has been ranked between 1-6 for the most important search term relating to my site for 3 years. 6 days ago my index page completely disappeared. I am in DMOZ and have been for 3 years. Internal pages on my site still come up number 1 for certain keywords but my index page is nowhere to be found. In fact when I put the actual name of my website in the search engine it does not even show up under that. I know that I can't post my sites name but is there anywhere that I can go for someone to look at my site and tell me if something is wrong. I have not changed my site. Everyday I add new articles to it. I have been doing that for three years. I am pretty depressed about all of this. Thank you for your time.

skipfactor

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Msg#: 18471 posted 11:13 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I've looked at over 15 "lost index pages". All 15 were webmaster fault.
Duplicate content on www.domain.com vs domain.com.

I see plenty of www index pages doing just fine without a redirect on domain.com.

Powdork

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Msg#: 18471 posted 11:13 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

So would a request from Googlebot for the non www page show up in my referrer logs?

Powdork

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Msg#: 18471 posted 11:15 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see plenty of www index pages doing just fine without a redirect on domain.com.
Then give them a link to the non-www and see what happens;)
hmmmmnn...

drewls

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Msg#: 18471 posted 11:15 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

same 'problem' would also apply to inner pages that still ARE ranking well, no?

Wouldn't the duplicate content penalty also apply to www.domain.com/widgets.html and domain.com/widgets.html?

That doesn't seem to hold water to me.

Stefan

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Msg#: 18471 posted 11:15 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Try this, iluvlabs.

If a search for "page title" for the index used to show up on the first page, try it again, eg "widgets r us", then add onto the URL of the Google search page, in the address bar, "&filter=0" then hit it again. This can show the duplicate domain.com and www.domain.com pages. <Added> hmm... not sure if that helps in the slightest. It found the www.domain.org/?theirsite.com link for us </added>

[edited by: Stefan at 11:27 pm (utc) on Nov. 23, 2003]

Stefan

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Msg#: 18471 posted 11:17 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

So would a request from Googlebot for the non www page show up in my referrer logs?

Yes, you can make it show to test it. Type domain.com into the adress bar. You'll get to the default page, and it should show in the logs.

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