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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update
Looks like an Old Fashioned Dance Baby!

 2:29 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

www-in is showing some major shifting in all the serps I follow.. anyone else seeing this? These results were showing yesterday as well, but synced with the others late in the afternoon.

The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.



 12:23 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

If this is a new set of results, as opposed to a rollback, then mirror-merchants and keyword-in-link are deader 'n disco

Totally agree with that analysis - I also suspect that it wont hold but my only reason for thinking that is that it looks too good to be true!

I am kind of hoping that it is just reverted to an old algo as there are a lot of very fresh pages in the mix too.


 12:28 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

soeey, what are on-in and www-in too

Different Google datacentres. You should some differing results at www-in.google.com and www-ex.google.com, for example.


 12:31 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

my sites have also seen a major drop in about 5 of the google datacenters.

2 of my sites aren't even in the top 50 anymore, they were no.5 and no.8 not so long ago. my other 2 sites have plumeted to 5 and 6.

don't like this google update.


 12:32 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the info - my major keyword (was no 4) is now on page 23.


 12:40 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Right, on ex-google, the page is the same as it was before the change. What does that actually mean, or doesn't it mean anything? :)
Sorry for asking so many questions!


 1:11 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

My sites have ranked very well in Google for approx 2 years now (#1 to #15 positions) but now they are nowhere to be find, I checked back to page 15 and no sight of any of them apart from an interbal page which did not relate to the search I did.

I've seen some very odd results so I tend to think/hope that this wil not be the new index.

Maybe it would be a good idea for some of you guys from different industry sectors than mine to test the relevancy of some major seraches.


 1:11 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I haven't looked into what the cause is yet, but my Google traffic is down for the last few days, and the quality of the traffic (judged by conversion) has dropped dramatically.

I try not to sweat the ebb and flow of the updates but whatever has been added into the mix, seems to be a negative influence for my site.

If they've added a new ingredient into their algorythmic secret recipe, I hope they pull it out soon.


 1:11 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, this is just terrific. *%$"*@*!
I'm going have a simply fantastic day come monday, explaining to clients why almost all their sites appear to have been removed from Google.

GRRR! Why don't I just pack up shop now?! I'm going to get crucified. I cannot believe Google has done this again. Geez this makes me angry! (and severely worried about the future of SEO as a viable business)


 1:21 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

My index page is still there, and it's still the current version...it's just gone plop.


 1:26 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok, what I want to say is, if you have missing index page, don't worry at the moment. For a SERPs swift, we will first see a large switft, where this kind of thread will appear.

Then slowly, more slight changes will be feed in in 1-2 days where it will usually bring up the missing sites, update some site ranking ...

It is always happier to see your site rise in the 'slight change' stage rather then drop down becuase your competitor feed in. :)


 1:28 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Someone said their index page disappeared. Well, I have the opposite effect. Instead of my deeper pages being shown like before, my index page shows up in the serps.
If Google tried to limit the weight of inbound link anchor text, they seem to have overdone it. For many kewyords, many pages where the keyword only appears in a menu show up, instead of the appropriate subpages.


 1:34 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

My index page is gone for "fuzzy widgets" and "fuzzy widget", but it still comes up #1 for "blue fuzzy widgets", which is the official title of the site.


 10:44 am on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

It may well be very old, who knows, but it is radically different, not seen such a complete re-ranking for months and months.

I know datacentre watching is ultimately futile, but this ine leapt out at me.


 2:00 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing a really dramatic change in serps. In fact 40+ sites which I monitor seem to have been dropped altogether.

On my sites during the last month or two, I have seen certain subpages being dropped (not to be found anywhere) when an update starts, only to reappear later on the 1st page of the SERPS, like they were before. Maybe it will be the same with the sites you are talking about.


 2:04 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>datacentre watching is ultimately futile

That's why i'm sitting here, playing didgeridoo instead of loosing my nerves and sucking the datacenters' server bandwith ... :)


 3:04 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

My index page has vanished from all of the major keywords. This has to be temporary change. All of my internal pages still rank well. Additionally, allinanchor, allintext, allintitle still have not changed for my index page. I have seen this behavor before when kr datacenter was introduced. It took a few days for all of the SERPS to show even though the allinanchor, allintext, and allintitle were in there. Sit back and wait is all we can do!


 3:09 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Sit back and wait is all we can do

... while singing the dance is back, the dance is back - the baby's got a name - it's Florida - the dance is back, the dance is back



 3:13 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have 15 sites all top 10 many top 5 and 6 #1's all gone. They are registered with godaddy but not hosted there. This happened since 11pm eastern last night. Was this a massive update with new algo's? Sites are not new, have tons of quality links and have consistently held those positions.


 3:21 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

For my bread and butter, the results are very irrelevant (as far as retail sites are concerned.)

-2 sites are blogger sites
-One is a a .gov site
-The other has absolutely NOTHING to do with the keyword "blue widgets", but mentions the keyword in singular form once on the page as "blue widget".

Allinanchor, text, and title are the same as they were before this major change.

These results remind me alot of what the serps looked like when I first got into SEO this past summer.. Relevant players (including 3-4 of my competitors) are nowhere to be found.

I had a feeling something big was going to happen because of the flucations I've been seeing for the past 2 days.. but never expected this.

Good luck with this guys.. I feel sorry for those people out there looking for "blue widgets" this weekend on Google. They will find no sites offering blue widgets for sale. Only irrelevant pages that remotely mention blue widgets.


 3:41 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ah, just in time for the Christmas shopping. Good luck folks.

I have disappeared from listings across a couple of dozen terms. Reminiscent of Esmerelda. Where I do show up is ususally a deeper page, and usually an obscure term.

Still in top 10 in allinanchor, allintext, allinurl across main terms, but not in the top 100 in serps.

Looks like the old "let's boot the index" algo is being used.

Nerve racking, but I know the site is sound, so I will go play and see how things settle out.

(Looks like things are still in flux across the different data centers. Also looks like a lot of index pages are missing)


[edited by: willybfriendly at 3:47 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2003]


 3:46 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just woke up looked at my stats and my mouth dropped. I had 5 hits from google when usually I'll get around 60 at this hour what is going on?. At least three of my pr5-6 sites have dropped like a rock in the serps.


 3:55 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

"At least three of my pr5-6 sites have dropped like a rock in the serps."

Join the club. I had been ranked between #2 - #5 across several key phrases and #1 for about 20 sub-phrases. As of this morning, I am gone from the SERPs...I mean completely gone. My index page and many sub-pages still show PR6 and even deep links are PR5. So, I find it hard to believe I have been penalized to the point of being blown off the face of Google. Seems like too many others are having the same issues.

I sure hope this is temporary and not permanent <hands wringing>.


 3:55 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

The name of the update is Florida? Wonder if the weird results are related to Florida's voting problems. LOL. (Sorry, I do love Florida)


 4:01 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think I can claim precedence in spotting this update earlier in the thread:

<I can see some change on www-ex>

Who decided to call it update Florida? - you were all asleep at the time ;-)

What's wrong with update Filey (North Yorkshire)?

[edited by: superscript at 4:06 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2003]


 4:04 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have 10 sites I'm working with and all sites had keywords phrases in the top 10 positions as well as PR6-8. Now, ALL of them have fallen to page 10 or lower. I sure hope this is a temporary thing...YIKES...


 4:05 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Now I can see that www-mc has updated the backlinks


More Traffic Please

 4:06 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Has anybody else noticed a really large number of top positions for Yahoo! catagories that contain a keyword in the Yahoo! directory chain? My KW serps are loaded with them. Any thoughts on what this might say about the algo they are using?

Overall, my gut feeling is they have not figured in certain variables in their algo, at least I hope so because this is a mess.


 4:13 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)
"I can see some change on www-ex, very pleased to report that on this datacentre one of my blatantly spamming competitors appears to have been dropped - woohoo!"

"If this is a new set of results, as opposed to a rollback, then mirror-merchants and keyword-in-link are deader 'n disco..."

Hey everyone, we're always looking for ways to improve the quality of our rankings and algorithms. I'll post more over the next few days--just wanted to let people know that I'll be around. If you have feedback about the update, there's a couple ways to get feedback to me: email to webmaster [at] google.com or you can also use the webform at

If you do want to send feedback/comments, please include the keyword "floridaupdate" (all one word) so that we can pull out just that feedback. It would help to include your WebmasterWorld nickname if you have one and the datacenter that you do/don't see results at.


 4:14 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

mmr82, good point. mc datacenter is showing an old number of backlinks for me. looks to me like old results, mixed in with a few fresh results - possibly resulting from mc not yet being up to date. am hoping things will right itself over the next few days. (btw, my allinanchor, allintext, and allinurl is still showing number one positions, with the phrase itself being nowhere). i'm calling this a glitch that will be fixed. (hoping, praying)


 4:15 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)


Are you hinting this is a major spam busting update?


 4:15 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

simply looks like the START of a new index without the filters...this is the way the last few updates have gone..can take up to two weeks to settle....i can now judge if filters are on or off by watching a selected few sites..these sites ONLY show in their positions when filters are off...so take the opportunity to note the sites that suddenly appear when the filters are off so you will recognise whats happening next time....

<blimey>just saw what googleguy said...dosent sound like are filters are off then..crikey!</blimey>

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