homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.211.80.155
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Become a Pro Member
Home / Forums Index / Google / Google News Archive
Forum Library, Charter, Moderator: open

Google News Archive Forum

This 125 message thread spans 5 pages: 125 ( [1] 2 3 4 5 > >     
The Google Directory just updated!
I can't believe my eyes...
steveb




msg:82129
 6:44 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

And up to date as of the last dump too it appears.

 

abates




msg:82130
 8:23 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmm, when was the last dump? A URL I changed a few months ago is still showing the old URL in the Google directory...

Is the directory information served from different data centres like the search results are?

bluecorr




msg:82131
 8:48 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

My apologies, I can see changes on directory-ex

Marcia




msg:82132
 9:19 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can't see a thing, the browser keeps freezing up when I go to the page the listing should be on that I'm trying to check. I've tried it over and over. It's taking forever to load and then freezes up and I have to close the browser down. IE6, it shouldn't be a problem and hasn't been anywhere else.

Yidaki




msg:82133
 9:32 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

directory-ex is obviously fresh.
No update of the main directory though.

Powdork




msg:82134
 9:40 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Marcia,
Thats obviously a problem related to DMOZ.;)

And so my relationship with the unOpen Directory has run its cycle. It's funny to see my site gone while a site banned from Google 2 years ago hangs right in, broken links, non existant pages and all.
Don't bother explaining about how dmoz doesn't consider spam when reviewing and all that. I know. It's just funny, that's all.
Anyhow, just wanted to say I shan't be mentioning it again here.

Marcia




msg:82135
 10:19 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Anyhow, just wanted to say I shan't be mentioning it again here.

We shall see, shan't we? ;)

It's on the Google site, and the page won't scroll right, either. Something is wrong with the way it's loading. I've seen that a few times with includes that resist being included - there's a big hesitation 'til they finish up loading.

abates




msg:82136
 10:47 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see the changes on directory-ex too... Cool :)

Also, most of my pages moved up in their categories. yay! :)

Tropical Island




msg:82137
 10:49 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

directory-ex seems to be updated from here. There is also a shuffle in the main search results which seems to reflect the directory update.

For example we have moved up the list for our main area in the directory and. lo & behold, we are now in the top ten in the regular search results.

One of our competitors has a PR4 from the tool bar but in directory-ex shows just a PR3. He was previously #8 in the serps and has now dropped to #15.

Does anyone else see this in their areas?

caine




msg:82138
 11:38 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can't see any changes.

Have a domain that has been in ODP for 2 months, hasn't come into G's directory

killroy




msg:82139
 12:01 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Gee great. I got into DMOZ, hte search only, never saw it updated in the results. My site was in the RDF and apeard on lots of clones. Now, just before the first google dir update in eos, poof it's completely gone again. My site's only grown and become better. I'm afraid one of the editors didn'T like that :( I'm still waiting for my registration notice so I can get into the forum and perhaps post somewhere to somebody (I already send a message to the editor, never recieved a reply).

This smells fishy to say the least.

SN

g1smd




msg:82140
 12:07 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

A new ODP category, which was created in 2003 May is now included in the Google Directory on -ex for the very first time. The category has been showing in Google SERPs from about 2003 July onwards, but clicking the link went to a "this category does not exist or has moved" error message. Whatever problems Google were having with the data appears to now be fixed.

The new directory is also in -in.

The old version is still at -va, -ab, and -dc.

The domains at -fi and -cw are not responding at all. The browser just hangs, waiting.

There is no directory at -zu, -sj, -gv, -mc or -kr.

What is the date of the latest ODP changes that are showing in the new -ex and -in directory?

skipfactor




msg:82141
 1:25 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I can't believe my eyes...

Site added to DMOZ in April makes a first sighting in the G directory. Thanks steveb, I'd long given up on looking for it.

sysdomatic




msg:82142
 1:28 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Oh man, this has been a long time coming. Does anybody know if a listing in the Google directory makes an immediate positive impact to your SERP's?

g1smd




msg:82143
 1:35 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google SERPs have been reporting the "correct" Directory Category for sites since about July even in cases where that category did not yet exist at directory.google.com but did exist at dmoz.org so I think that the "boost" from having a directory listing has already been taken into account for at least a few months already.

That is, Google SERPs already knew about what sites are in what categories at dmoz.org even if directory.google.com was not yet listing those sites in those categories.

It is the last part of that that Google has updated today.

[edited by: g1smd at 1:37 pm (utc) on Nov. 2, 2003]

scoobontour




msg:82144
 1:36 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

powerdork
have you reported the broken site to the odp forums? You might find it gets removed, with 3 mill + sites editors are generally busy to check on all sites...

skipfactor




msg:82145
 1:37 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Does anybody know if a listing in the Google directory makes an immediate positive impact to your SERP's?

Confirming g1smd's observations, I noticed that boost when the G category started appearing underneath previously unlisted sites (about a month or so ago).

g1smd




msg:82146
 4:42 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am guessing that the copy of the RDF used by Google is the one from 2003-10-29 which includes all edits made before October 25th, and some edits made between October 25th and 29th. (The RDF takes 4 days to compile so some edits between Oct 25th and 29th will be in it and others will not, depending on the exact date and time that the category was scanned and added to the RDF file).

zafile




msg:82147
 5:30 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I keep track of a regional category and it isn't updated yet in EX or IN.

Yidaki




msg:82148
 5:41 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Confirming g1smd's observations, I noticed that boost when
>the G category started appearing underneath previously
>unlisted sites (about a month or so ago).

Disagreed. One site added to dmoz in July (end) and one site added in september (end). The last one is today showing first time at regular google search results. Only one back link - which is dmoz. Still no category listed with the site - allthough it's listed at directory-ex since today. The other site (listed at dmoz in july) also doesn't show any category and didn't change its position since weeks. So my guess is, there has been no visible change yet based on these past "invisible" directory updates nor on the new directory-ex update yet.

g1smd




msg:82149
 5:49 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

My site was listed in the ODP in May, and then had the directory tag added to the Google SERPs in July (I think it was July) but the site listing only shows in the Google Directory for the very first time as of today. The "benefits" were dished out to that site back in July.

Yidaki




msg:82150
 5:56 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Aha, this sounds like the last "invisible" update would have been in July then, g1smd ... no?

g1smd




msg:82151
 6:21 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Directory tags were being added to Google Search Engine Results listings over a period of several months without any corresponding update to the actual Google Directory contents. This "invisible update" (or whatever) to Google SERPs, didn't happen just one time, all at the same time, it actually happened in at least several bursts spread over a couple of months.

What happens to your site really depends on whether it was listed in the ODP before or after appearing in Google Search results, and exactly when these things happened.

rfgdxm1




msg:82152
 7:18 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Confirming g1smd's observations, I noticed that boost when the G category started appearing underneath previously unlisted sites (about a month or so ago).

Hmm...I'm not so sure if this is so. If true, that means that Google was crediting sites with Google directory links, even though they had yet to publicly appear. One thing about Google and the ODP is Google recognize links from *both* dmoz.org and the Google directory. Notice that both have visible PR with the toolbar. Thus, once the Google directory updates, if you are listed in Shopping > Widgets, your site gets the boost from links on both, not just one.

g1smd




msg:82153
 7:45 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> If true, that means that Google was crediting sites with Google directory links, even though they had yet to publicly appear. <<

Yes, yes, Google did credit links that did not yet exist.

Site went online in 2003 April, and was picked up by Google search engine a week or so later.

Site added to ODP in brand new category in 2003 May. Category dumped to RDF every week thereafter.

In July, Google SERPs suddenly have a link like:
Category: Regional > Continent > Country > County > Town
appended to the search results listing.

Clicking the category link went to an error message on the Google Directory site: >> this category cannot be found and has probably been moved << but it had NOT moved, it had not yet even existed in the Google Directory, it was a brand new category, one that had not yet even been created at directory.google.com and had only ever been seen at dmoz.org so far, so, yes, Google advertised in their search results for categories which they said were in their directory but which were not yet actually in their directory.

For several months the search results at Google knew what the latest category structure at dmoz.org looked like, and Google search results reported that directory.google.com was using that same structure even though directory.google.com was NOT using that struture at all.

Only now (as of today) is the category actually formed and populated in the Google Directory itself (but so far only on -ex and -in servers), even though the category link has been on the search results for that site for the last 3 or 4 months.

rfgdxm1




msg:82154
 8:09 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

One thing g1smd. How do you know that the rankings the site had weren't just from the strength of the dmoz.org listing? Regardless of what is at the Google directory, Google routinely spiders dmoz.org, and assigns PR to each cat.

Yidaki




msg:82155
 8:36 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Regardless of what is at the Google directory, Google routinely spiders dmoz.org, and assigns PR to each cat.

No crawl of the dmoz, no new pr for them since at least 4 months. No doubt.

g1smd




msg:82156
 8:39 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)
Hmm, http://directory-in.google.com/Top/ just reverted back to the old version.

The new version still shows at: http://directory-ex.google.com/Top/

plasma




msg:82157
 8:44 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Great News.

Seems like they are going through the "Google ToDo"-Thread ;)
First Google-Image, now the Directory.

What next?

zafile




msg:82158
 9:08 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, I can see now the regional category pretty much up-to-date via [directory-ex.google.com...] . Congratulations Google!

[edited by: zafile at 10:09 pm (utc) on Nov. 2, 2003]

This 125 message thread spans 5 pages: 125 ( [1] 2 3 4 5 > >
Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Google / Google News Archive
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved