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Does anybody have a list of freshtag updates?
ogletree




msg:45178
 1:22 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was wondering if anybody kept a list of freshtag updates. Just they days that show freshtags. Oct 28th seems to be the last one.

 

IanTurner




msg:45179
 3:09 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

I had Oct 29 fresh tags.

Imaster




msg:45180
 3:24 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Oct 29th for me as well. I wonder why these past three days didn't have any fresh update tags.

onedumbear




msg:45181
 4:33 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

We should see fresh tags today... tomorrow at the latest.

DerekH




msg:45182
 4:41 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

onedumbear wrote
We should see fresh tags today... tomorrow at the latest.

That's a very definite statement that you make - it implies you have some reasons for being so certain. I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping you will share your reasoning with us all - it couldn't fail to be helpful.
Thanks in advance!

Regards
DerekH

plasma




msg:45183
 5:07 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Could it be that you guys overanalyze everything happening with Google?

onedumbear




msg:45184
 5:43 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

>That's a very definite statement that you make

Yes, i'm almost looking to get "shot down" with a statement like that are'nt i?

I don't think i know anything special though. It's just the fresh "tag" not "bot" schedule in my head says that between midnight on thursday to midn. on fri the fresh tags start to fade out.
between sun. and monday they reappear.
Every week the process seems to happen a few hours earlier.

to sum it up, here's what i see... 48-60 hrs. a week, on weekends, no fresh tags.

too much information




msg:45185
 5:54 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

my last tag was the 29th as well, and I also noticed all of my competators had the same tag in the SERPs.

DerekH




msg:45186
 6:47 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

onedumbear wrote
It's just the fresh "tag" not "bot" schedule in my head says that between midnight on thursday to midn. on fri the fresh tags start to fade out.
between sun. and monday they reappear.
Every week the process seems to happen a few hours earlier.

I've seen something similar, but then, on a PR5 site I wouldn't expect the courtesy of a regular "how are you?" visit every day.

But if we go with onedumbear's observation, and ignoring for a moment the comment (and one I do subscribe to myself!) that we over-analyse things here, it does beg the question of what google is doing *instead* of getting fresh tags. I can't believe there's not method behind the madness, so comments, ladies and gents please, about what's happening in the googleplex while it's all gone quiet outside it...

Or, in other words, what will have happened to our sites when the fresh tags re-appear.
Apart from nothing at all, that is...

DerekH

onedumbear




msg:45187
 1:49 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

there ya go
and yes plasma, we do over-analyze.
It's a sickness, i can't help it

Michaeldd




msg:45188
 1:54 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm showing the 31st fresh tags. As of an hour ago.

lawboy




msg:45189
 4:20 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm going to sound like a newbie - but I am: what is a fresh tag?

ogletree




msg:45190
 4:38 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

A fresh tag is a date next to the URL on a search result. If there is a date that means that Google has updated that page on that day. Some sites don't have it so they are older. I see the 31st as well.

My orginal question was does anybody have a running list of days that get fresh tags. I get them anytime they are passed out I was just looking for a pattern.

lawboy




msg:45191
 4:45 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see. Well, this is interesting: a page that I optimized has the fresh tag "Oct. 31" when I search for it under site:domain keyword.

However, when I search for it regularly (through keywords and some other words) it simply does not appear. Why would it show for the site:domain search but not a regular search?

Marcia




msg:45192
 5:16 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Seeing the 31st and a site just got slammed, there's been a change in the SERPs. That one goes up and down like a freight elevator by close to 20 positions difference.

<sigh> That site has one PR0 page, my first ever (now I can maybe join the PR0 club), which I believe might be one of those keyword penalties we hear about. There are two pretty new pages also PR0, but those wouldn't have any showing yet, they're too new. I guess it'll take a while to find out for sure if that one I suspect is actually a "mini-penalty" based on using a forbidden combination of words.

On another one, interior pages were PR5 (homepage PR5), then all slipped to PR4 and now back to PR5 on all except one of them, which is PR4. This is all in the last few days - and today

It's true that there may have been some new links found that might boost the "site" PR some and they may possibly counting though they can't be *seen", but the difference in internal site pages can only be attibuted to how the internal linking is being done.

Guys, there are no outside links to any but the homepage that I know of, it's a relatively new site with few inbound links. I can't think of what else would explain the differences in internal PR.

too much information




msg:45193
 5:26 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

ok, earlier I posted that I *had* a 29th tag, now I have one for the 31st and my site is on page 2. (from #2)

What I have noticed is that every 3 days or so my site goes from page 1 (#2 in the SERP) to page 2 (#18) and the only thing I can guess is that Google is using two separate databases and while one updates, the other is showing.

The difference between my site in each database is the title tag, and only the title tag. (because that's all I have changed in the past month)

So I adjusted my tag to match the one that lists as #2 and if I can be patient enough ;) then maybe I can be #2 in both.

Anyone else notice a change in the SERPs when the fresh tags appear?

onedumbear




msg:45194
 5:57 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

ogletree...
Fresh tags are passed out 5 consecutive days a week.
On the daily cycle it takes between 20-28 hrs from one set of fresh tags to the next.
On a weekly cycle the overall process begins a few hours earlier each week.
Im sorry i can't articulate whats in my head any better than this.

g1smd




msg:45195
 12:18 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I had a time (about 6 months ago) where for a few days each month the #1 site would drop to somewhere about #50 to #80 just for a couple of days. Never did explain it, but it only happened 3 or 4 times before returning to a permanent #1.

killroy




msg:45196
 1:11 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmm my site get's daily freshtags and currently shows the 1st.

SN

dukeblue219




msg:45197
 6:00 pm on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I also am showing several freshtags for Nov. 1, seems Freshbot loves my site for some reason.

onedumbear




msg:45198
 5:08 pm on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

killroy, are you saying that every week you get 7 different fresh tags?
I still stand by my observation that they are only passed out 5 days a week.
This past week has been different though, probably due to the google directory update.
Im betting that this week, things will get back to normal and between thur. evening to sat. the fresh tags will start to fade out, and reappear about 40- 60 hrs. later.

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