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Google trying to become more like Amazon?
Google's crawling books.
AsleepATheWheel




msg:169585
 7:05 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

An interesting article, it would be excellent if they managed if implement it successfully. article [publishersweekly.reviewsnews.com]

Google has said it has reached agreements that allow it to enter as many as 60,000 titles in its database and also presented extensive mock-ups to publishers of how book-relevant searches will look.

 

rcjordan




msg:169586
 7:44 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

add this article [infotoday.com] and it looks like the 'race to the books' is on several fronts.

EliteWeb




msg:169587
 8:21 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

So google had nothing to do with Amazon's book search? They're unique to themselves? LoL I like amazon's book search I see how many times my URL's were documented in books ;)

Brett_Tabke




msg:169588
 8:22 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Very intersting development. I gotta hand it to Google for not messing around here and realizing that Amazon/Alexa dynamic duo represent a major threat. In many ways, that threat is greater than microsoft or IBM.

rcjordan




msg:169589
 8:24 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

>They're unique to themselves?

That's my understanding, at least as far as these and other articles have covered it.

gibbon




msg:169590
 8:25 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

"For the record, such issues may not take first place in Google’s in-house relevancy rankings for a while"

With the IPO seemingly ranking in 1st place where does that leave the old school serps - where google made its name.

These developments sound great, but is it taking its eyes off the ball?

rcjordan




msg:169591
 8:30 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

>IPO

Which ball?

Shak




msg:169592
 8:34 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

These developments sound great, but is it taking its eyes off the ball?

I "think" the ball is firmly in sight, and they are moving closer to it day by day...

Shak

gibbon




msg:169593
 8:38 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

exciting times :)

Yidaki




msg:169594
 8:53 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

There’s one problem, however. The programming algorithms that rank search results involve linguistic frequency as well as popularity statistics. OCLC bibliographic records, by Google spidering standards, are very thin. At this point, Google had nothing to say on how they will handle the OCLC records to ensure a “page one” level of visibility to searchers that corresponds to the quality of the material.

Quoted from the article you linked, rcjordan.

I wonder how they'll get around the lack of popularity of such records - keeping in mind that Google's ranking concept is in large parts based on document link structures.

dougb




msg:169595
 8:54 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Interesting -- but where's does fulltext indexing come in? The article makes it sound like it's a bunch of (short) bibliographic records that are being offered for indexing, not the full text of the books themselves. Am I missing something?

chadmg




msg:169596
 9:27 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google should finish working on full site searching first. ;) JK

Zapatista




msg:169597
 9:44 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

The book records shouldn't even be incorporated into the general search, but should have it's own tab. And for that article to assume they should be on the first page is reaching. I agree Google has enough search bugs to squash before introducing a new alien element to the general search.

2_much




msg:169598
 9:56 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Perfect move for Google. One way to see it is the millions of pages they would get from books would supply more informational content, enabling them to push down commercial listings in the organic listings. Which in turn leads to higher advertising revenue.

gibbon




msg:169599
 9:56 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

" I agree Google has enough search bugs to squash before introducing a new alien element to the general search."

we've seen it before in the pre-google age, when they all went portal empire building before perfecting their own patch.

think G is far more robust than its predecessors, but still makes you wonder.

kmarcus




msg:169600
 11:14 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

you'd think it'd be easy to get started if they want to play in the space by indexing the contents of project gutenberg. But i am not yet sure what makes this useful -- I can't think of a time when i have thought "gee, what was that line in edgar allen poe". If it's a technical question, i'm more likely to hit newsgroups/blogs/message boards.

No, I think more interesting are the technologies like copernic's summarize which summarize the actual texts for you. Or maybe "auto generate cliff's notes" applications. ;)

pleeker




msg:169601
 11:42 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

If it's a technical question, i'm more likely to hit newsgroups/blogs/message boards.

There's the rub. Google wants you hitting Google for that. :)

Not to get too far ahead of the game, but if we're going to start indexing the text of books to extract the 'information' from them for the purpose (presumably) of helping users find the information they seek ... what's next?

Web pages were obviously the first floor of this house, and images, PDFs, Word documents, etc., were added. The news search covers newspapers, magazines, etc. Blogs have been added. Now we're adding books to the mix. What other media will follow? Will the technology be developed to index the contents of audio and video files? Think of the information to be had in interview transcripts, etc.

Chndru




msg:169602
 2:09 am on Oct 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

G...realizing that Amazon/Alexa dynamic duo represent a major threat. In many ways, that threat is greater than microsoft or IBM.

or even Yahoo..

One of the wisest posts i ever seen in WW.

RobbieD




msg:169603
 2:33 am on Oct 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Very intersting development. I gotta hand it to Google for not messing around here and realizing that Amazon/Alexa dynamic duo represent a major threat. In many ways, that threat is greater than microsoft or IBM.

Can you elaborate Brett. Why do you think they post one of the biggest threats to Google?

vitaplease




msg:169604
 7:21 am on Oct 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'd love to have an extra "Book search" tab.

Even more so if they add "out of print" and "out of copyright" books to it.

Could also give some interesting results on searches on etymology of e.g. quotations if they add publish dates and date search options.

It could create a whole new rage in ebayish second-hand book adwords market-place.

I guess some authors who have been "borrowing" others content a little too freely will sweat it out though.

I wonder if publishers will allow full indexing of reference books, a snippet of 6 words may be enough to trigger interest to buy, without letting loose the critical content for nothing.

Robert Charlton




msg:169605
 2:01 am on Oct 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google's mission: Organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful.

Google has stated this frequently in a variety of ways. They don't say "web pages;" they say "information."

sun818




msg:169606
 8:05 pm on Oct 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Makes me think of the Google Catalogs BETA [catalog.google.com]. If Google can index a merchant catalog with graphics and unique layout, a book is easy.

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