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Can outgoing links improve my pagerank?
the_nerd




msg:50883
 9:09 am on Oct 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK, pagerank is dead, as many say. It still helps to get spidered, e.g. Brett says.

It boosted my ego a lot this morning seeing it go up, even if it's not meaning a lot :)

But I realized one thing: on a rather new site where all pages a treated equally when it comes to links, one sub-page stands out. It's a page linking to a very high PR site that is very much on topic.

Maybe that's a new idea from G to keep people from hoarding their linking power and transforming the "web" into a bunch of unlinked islands?

 

plasma




msg:50913
 4:36 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

TrillianJedi, do you think it is necessary to link to a high PR site? My experience says otherwise. Have you tested this?

In the future it will be _very_ important to link to Authorative Sites.
I suggest reading Bretts excellent Article (forgot the url) 26 steps for a successfull google ranking.

trillianjedi




msg:50914
 5:45 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

TrillianJedi, do you think it is necessary to link to a high PR site? My experience says otherwise. Have you tested this?

Necessary? No.

Beneficial? Yes.

Yes I have tested it - impossible on the web to create perfect test conditions, but as far as it's possible to tell, it's a good thing to do.

If you think about it from a search engine point of view, it's also a very obvious thing to do (quality sites link to authoritative sites).

In the future it will be _very_ important to link to Authorative Sites.

Why? What's happening in the future?

TJ

dirkz




msg:50915
 7:41 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

So you are really promoting the idea to link directly to the competitors above you?

I have a site in positions 6-9. So by linking to ALL competitors above me I will be #1?

Beware, I'm mad enough to do this!

trillianjedi




msg:50916
 7:47 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

So you are really promoting the idea to link directly to the competitors above you?

Who suggested that?

TJ

dirkz




msg:50917
 7:49 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just add a link to the site above you and see if you jump him.

cabbie, are you really doing this :)

trillianjedi




msg:50918
 7:53 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just add a link to the site above you and see if you jump him

LMAO

So dumb it'll probably work!

TJ

kaled




msg:50919
 8:17 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

As stupid as it sounds, linking to sites above you can't do you much harm - they're already above you. I've actually started to consider this seriously.

Kaled.

cabbie




msg:50920
 8:48 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>cabbie, are you really doing this :)

Yes.:) but they are no longer above me.;)

dirkz




msg:50921
 10:08 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok, I have a page currently ranking #6 for a particular phrase. I've just linked to ALL 5 sites above me from this page.

The only problem I see is with some of them I already have a link exchange (from a dedicated links page).
Maybe I should request that they drop my link from their links page. LOL.

LMAO

Yes, this could be fun :) Cabbie, if this works I owe you some drinks at the next pubcon.

cabbie




msg:50922
 11:00 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Cabbie, if this works I owe you some drinks at the next pubcon.

And if it doesn't your competitors do.
LMAO

cabbie




msg:50923
 11:11 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

In all seriousness it may not work for you as you already link to an on topic site.And i don't know that linking to all competitors above you is better than linking to just 1.

dukeblue219




msg:50924
 11:27 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)


I have a site in positions 6-9. So by linking to ALL competitors above me I will be #1?

no, I think some of you are looking at this as some magical secret uncovered in the algo. It will not make you better than all those sites, but it will help in some small way. It will not be more important than any other item like H1 or META or TITLE or whatever.

The reason you might pass the ONE site above you is that your sites are probably so similar anyway since they rank together, that the link might put you over the top. The #1 site is already a lot more relevant than the #9 site, so you won't be able to gain that much.

cabbie




msg:50925
 11:43 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well put dukeblue219.
But in some cases the differnce between 1-10 is not great so you may get surprised how much you can jump.

kaled




msg:50926
 11:43 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

My best guess is that if you are in the top few of SERPS then linking to the sites above you is not likely to be beneficial in a big way. However, if you are say, 30th and link to the top half-dozen sites, this might help you get into the top ten. That's purely an instinctive guess but I would be surprised if outward links could achieve much more than this.

Kaled.

cabbie




msg:50927
 11:48 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Its my theory(cabbies theory of relativity no#66) that if the top 10 in the serps linked to each other it would be very hard for another site to break in.So if you are in the top 10 and making money do a deal with all the others in the top 10 ,exchange your links and guarantee your income.

shawn




msg:50928
 12:10 am on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

I thought I would throw my 2 cents in here about PR. Roughly 6 months ago I had 97 or backlinks. Between then and now I have been losing backlinks every month and or every update. Last month I had 17 backlinks anf my PR fell from 5 to 4. This month I added a few more backlinks to try and get some of those I had lost back.

Today I noticed I was back to a PR of 5 and my back links are now at 37.

I should also note that during the month i fell in PR I went up in serps for 3 new keyword phrases I was trying to target. The jump was pretty significat also. I jumped from #55 to #13 in a search term that has over 3 Million result pages. Another search term whic has a little over 8 million results I went from #11 to number #8.

Along with adding some backlinks I also improved my anchor text and possibly increased the density of the anchor text in my index page.

Shawn

nfinland




msg:50929
 7:27 am on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Linking to good ranking or authority sites wont´t boost your ranking that much (if it does it at all). Anyway the drop I had when I removed my outgoing links was 2-4 steps. And as I mentioned earlier I cannot be shure that the drop in rankings was due to this.

However if you have done everything you know in terms if optimizing a page - why not try to link to good ranking, high PR or some DMOZ sites and see what happens. And of course it should be "on theme" with your page (linking to google will not help you :-).

dirkz




msg:50930
 8:42 am on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

[searchengineworld.com...]

At least I don't feel alone, Brett is suggesting it (G).

So if you are in the top 10 and making money do a deal with all the others in the top 10 ,exchange your links and guarantee your income.

This sounds like a very decent cash-cow strategy :)

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