homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.163.72.86
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Become a Pro Member

Visit PubCon.com
Home / Forums Index / Google / Google News Archive
Forum Library, Charter, Moderator: open

Google News Archive Forum

    
Title lenghth....
How long it can be...
mushy




msg:161122
 1:42 am on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just like to know that is there a limit to word or character in title for google to pick it up. I mean if we put 20 words in a title or may be more than that then would google pick them all...... Please put some light on it.

 

Mohamed_E




msg:161123
 10:47 am on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google seems to truncate the title at around 60 to 70 characters.

seindal




msg:161124
 11:10 am on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Order the info in the title according to importance, most important first, so it still works when google and other truncates it.

I often have long titles because I put product names in them and I also like having the site name in the title, so I put the product name first, and the site title last, since the product is what the visitor is coming for.

René.

shaadi




msg:161125
 11:43 am on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

As many words as you may want - just keep it under 65 characters.

plasma




msg:161126
 12:34 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

As many words as you may want - just keep it under 65 characters.

<= 32 words :)

conor




msg:161127
 4:39 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

My max is usually 70 Characters. Bear in mind that spaces count as characters. The amount of 'words' is more relevant in terms of keyword density, their position/relevancy and proximity in the title.

pageoneresults




msg:161128
 4:47 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shorter, more succinct titles outperform longer less targeted titles.

Be creative when writing your page titles. Try out different combinations. Try to get both a singular and plural version of your main phrase in the title.

If you have seven words in your title, try different variations before making it final. I usually have Note Pad open and will cut and paste the title 5 or 6 times. I'll then start modifying each one to see what types of keyword combinations I can achieve just by rearranging the words.

The most important thing is to make sure it makes sense. Don't just line up a list of keyword phrases. Remember, the title is the first thing the user sees when performing a search query at their favorite SE. It's really your first opportunity to make an impression, it should be a lasting one and, one that makes them click and buy if you are selling a product or service! ;)

dirkz




msg:161129
 6:14 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sometimes it helps just to put into the title what the title of the page is :)

It's a good strategy to target only a short phrase with a page and therefore only this short phrase in the title.

coconutz




msg:161130
 6:49 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>if we put 20 words in a title or may be more than that then would google pick them all

I don't believe the truncated portion of a title is counted at all. Do an allintitle: "keyword phrase" quoted search using the portion of the title that's cut off.

mushy




msg:161131
 1:33 am on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok now. no body gave any example. All just gave their point of view.... Well i would like to share something with you. If you have some thing to contradict then please do disprove it.....

<snip>

Now the following I did. i picked up words from title which are not used in page any where except for title and meta tags (every one knows meta tags worth zero for google). these words were appearing after 100 characters, many even way far from 100 characters in the title. the word I chose were

Now try it yourself. i found the site on top even going way away from rulz....... So what do you say people any proof to disproof it? I think the limit is 60 words and not 60 characters :) But this title even have more than 60 words....

[edited by: Marcia at 9:05 am (utc) on Oct. 24, 2003]
[edit reason] No URLs or specifics, please. [/edit]

Arnett




msg:161132
 5:42 am on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shorter, more succinct titles outperform longer less targeted titles.

I generally keep my titles shorter than 60 characters. The rule that I follow is the same as for any other area of the page. Manage the keyword density and keyword prominence in that area.

vrtlw




msg:161133
 6:29 am on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Mushy

Seems doing this search:

<snip>

comes up No.1 In the SERPS, these are the last words in the title and most do not come up in the <body> tag.

Paul

[edited by: Marcia at 9:13 am (utc) on Oct. 24, 2003]
[edit reason] No specific searches, please. [/edit]

dirkz




msg:161134
 8:40 am on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Now the following I did

I like this approach. Experiment and tell the results here :)

So what do you say people any proof to disproof it?

What you did is the only way of proofing something in SEO.

But this title even have more than 60 words

This makes me think.

seofreak




msg:161135
 8:51 am on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

generally 9 medium length words or 10 short words are ok for me .. best way is to notice how google shows the titles for different sites. observe and learn :)

ukgimp




msg:161136
 8:56 am on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

You can use it to get your plurals in but you have to be clever about it. Remeber that it is what the user sees in the serps so it it looks like a bag of nails you may well lose a click. Cater for both.

Sinner_G




msg:161137
 9:14 am on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'd say the example as done by mushy and vrtlw goes to show that all elements in the title are getting indexed. Seems only normal to me, it is on the page (i.e. in the source code), so GoogleBot will have read it. Why should Google cut out a part of the title tag from their index?

The weight is quite difficult to tell, as example 1 (Tauchen, Golf,...) gives only that 1 result and example 2 (Cogolin, St.Tropez,...) gives 2, with the second being a JS redirect page. In the second example they profit from a spelling error (it's actually La Croix Valmer and not Lacroix Valmer).

Marcia




msg:161138
 9:31 am on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

It there's a long, long string it's unlikely that there will be many people looking for it that way, and chances are people won't be competing for phrases that long. Anything can come up if there's nothing to compete against.

I've got a couple of pages *accidentally* ranking #4 & #5 (indented) for a three word phrase out of 1,190,000 pages returned that have absolutely nothing on the pages. Not a speck of text, no graphics - nothing whatsoever but a background graphic.

The fact that the phrase is in the page titles (short ones) may help but it isn't why they're ranking, it's in anchor text in the alt attribute of images linking to the pages - one of the words is, and the other words are in the text link pointing to the pages with the images that are linking to the ones that are ranking. That's why it says in the cache that the term only appears in pages linking to that page.

There's no reason why Google wouldn't pick up what's in long titles even if they are truncated, but in the search I mentioned (without mentioning a specific) there are a number of sites in the top ten that don't have it in the title at all - it's anchor text.

Added:
I've had something ranking #29 out of a few hundred thousand pages and there is NO page there at_all. It's just the directory exposed on the server because there is no index page, it was removed. But there was still a LINK or two pointing to it with the anchor text from a fairly decent PR index page of the site and another one or two still floating around.

Sure, what's in page titles helps but in itself it won't make the critical difference if that's all there is, if anything is even in the normal level of being competitive.

Limited testing isn't conclusive in itself, there's a lot that can happen strictly by accident - like in my case.

mushy




msg:161139
 8:50 pm on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

What I noticed one more thing in doing search on that experiment page is word that do appear on google on searching, they are given points for it. Since site was coming up easily when I used initial words of title (although those words are pretty common) but when I seached for the terms in the end of title then I had to put more and more words to see the site on top. So what I concluded from it is we can have long as long title as we want. But first 60-70 words should be what which really can attract people since google with pick them for ranking and after it we can put key words which we like. but do try to make good sentences of keywords since it may get impression from people..... So what i think is as the article also said that we can have 750 word but what I think after little research is 60-70 initial words should be what we really want to pick after that you can forget to put meta tags keywords in page and instead can put them in title which would worth alot if somebosy is desperately trying many terms to get requires stie...

Michael Weir




msg:161140
 9:57 pm on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

You just have to work around that.

for example, if your URL is delicious-dog-food.com, you should refer to it as delicious-widget-food.com here at ww. (widgets seem to be the name of the game here).

Likewise, if you target the phrase discount dog food you should refer to it as, you guessed it, discount widget food.

As for title tags, I prefer to use a very short (10 words or less) and targeted title. The web user will see the title first - it's the most important thing. The challenging and creative part is balancing optimization with user appeal.

mushy




msg:161141
 12:21 am on Oct 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ya but the title appearing to people is initial 8-10 words so initial words and can be for users liking and rest for our ;)

zgb999




msg:161142
 8:45 pm on Oct 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

NCSA and W3 Style guides state that the titles should be less than 64 characters.

pageoneresults




msg:161143
 9:14 pm on Oct 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

Titles should be less than 64 characters.

Thanks zgb999. For optimium performance, I'll reiterate what I mentioned earlier, title elements should be succinct and enticing. There have been many who have tested the title theories over the years and the final result was that short titles outperformed long titles 9 out of 10 times.

Sometimes we tend to want to put as much as we possibly can in that title from an SEO standpoint. Unfortunately, the more that is there, the less weight it has. If your primary phrase is three words, then your title might only be three words, that's all you'll need if the rest of the page is focused.

From a visual standpoint in the SERPs, titles that contain the search phrase and are worded properly so they make sense will typically get the highest CTR (click-thru rate).

I think titles that are not truncated look much more visibly appealing than those that truncate... ...you know what I mean? ;)

netguy




msg:161144
 9:41 pm on Oct 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

I usually try to keep my titles to a maximum of about 30 characters.
(with emphasis on one or two keywords/phrases).

GoogleGuy once said the answer is 42.
[I think he was kidding]...
[google.com...]

;)

Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Google / Google News Archive
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved