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Is Google purging sites aggressively?
5 sites dropped from index without explanation.
termcder




msg:42011
 5:05 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

I operate 5 commercial websites and have been indexed and doing well with Google for over 6 months. Last week my largest site disappeared. This morning all of the others are gone. I don't spam or use redirects and I consider my site content rich with no backlinks from link farms that I'm aware of. I get a standard response from Google re: questions.

If there is a problem, how does one find out? If not, how does one fall out and get back in?

As all of you know this is serious business. Any insight greatly appreciated.

 

AbeFroman




msg:42012
 7:48 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

do you still have PR?

plasma




msg:42013
 8:10 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

6 months isn't long.
Many ppl think an Update is due.

I wouldn't wory too much, most likely it's just the Everflux.

AthlonInside




msg:42014
 8:14 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

you interlinked 5 of your sites?!?!?!

martinibuster




msg:42015
 8:22 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is Google purging sites aggressively?

Doesn't look like it from where I'm looking. Perhaps it's just your sites?

Yidaki




msg:42016
 8:30 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

>you interlinked 5 of your sites?!?!?!

Where did you read that he did?

AthlonInside




msg:42017
 8:31 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yidaki,

I only suspecting ... :) I am waiting for him to reply, "I did! But what's wrong with interlinking?!?!"

Yidaki




msg:42018
 8:34 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

>But what's wrong with interlinking?!?!

I'm curious what'd be your explanation. ;)

Napoleon




msg:42019
 9:23 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmmm... a site has just gone from one of my markets with no apparent explanation. The sub-pages are still there in the main, but the index page has gone.

Maybe it is everflux. Something has changed for sure, but time will tell (I've certainly never seen this old favorite disappear before).

bakedjake




msg:42020
 9:26 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't usually do this, but I'd have to agree with Napoleon et. al. here.

Something's changed. I've been looking around all day, but haven't put my finger on it yet. I'm hoping it's just normal day-to-day stuff as well.

One of the SERPs in the above referenced market changed dramatically; the top 15 dropped down to number 30, and were replaced with sites I've never seen before.

plasma




msg:42021
 9:29 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Would you sticky me the url/keywords?
Which datacenters?

johnnydequino




msg:42022
 9:46 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Somethings changed alright. No fresh tags for days. Datacenter (SJ) is down. Newly crawed pages from last week have been removed.

Either something big is going to happen, or we are stuck in neutral. =)

jd

textex




msg:42023
 8:47 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

I recently suffered a big drop in rankings, from top tens to in the 100's. I have looked and looked for a reason but can not find one.

Upon some research, I discovered a competitor jacked all of my content. Naturally I sent them a cease and desist letter.

Would them copying my content cause me to drop in rankings?

What else can cause a drop like that?

Does Google enforce penalties like this?

PErhaps just a Google glitch?

mcavill




msg:42024
 9:54 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

i've not noticed any changes to my sites listings, but i've noticed sj being down for a couple of days - some testing maybe? I thought about trying to start a conspiracy thread about it a day or two ago, but thought I should try and be more grown up - this is a decent forum after all...

agerhart




msg:42025
 9:55 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>>> No fresh tags for days.

I see fresh tags.

Yidaki




msg:42026
 10:10 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Um, yeah, update threads alive again.
Addicted to dancing, folks, he!?
The Dance is dead - long live the Dance. ;)

I don't see no changes.

lasko




msg:42027
 10:20 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sorry gues me too I had 1400 pages indexed by google now I have 800 and the index page has gone never been banned and the whole site is clean.

This has only happened in the last few days :(

We are due an update so I am not worried(much)

martinibuster




msg:42028
 10:35 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Updates don't generally happen until the weekend.

I've done searches on many terms I'm watching and I'm not seeing an "aggressive" culling. I know everyone's mileage varies however I'm not seeing anything that would qualify as "aggressive."

Yidaki




msg:42029
 10:38 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Updates don't generally happen until the weekend.

rofl

buckworks




msg:42030
 11:10 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't spam or use redirects

You might not use redirects, but there are some European directory sites out there which do, and Google is clearly confused by it, in some cases crediting the content to the redirect URL instead of the landing page's URL. That kills your link pop brownie points and who knows what else.

Search for some word combinations that would unique to your page(s) and you might turn up odd things that would provide further clues.

If some of your pages are missing in action but others are fine, at least you know your site is not banned, it's a page-by-page probem.

termcder




msg:42031
 11:15 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

I didn't realize I had generated this kind of response.

No I don't interlink the sites. Of course I have provided partner links to them but that is it.

I finally found my site buried in the rankings. I had gone from #1 for a primary keyword to #205. Had been #1 for weeks. I checked and only the index pages for my other sites are the missing. Perhaps it is Everflux. Can only hope so.

It's the mystery that kills me. I realize that Google is programmed for searches and that is their primary responsibility. However, since dramatic actions can seriously affect those of us providing the content it would be helpful and I think ethical to provide some feedback, however broad, to those with legitimate questions about status. Even an automated system would be fine.

Pie in the sky stuff I know but being in the dark results in a lot of stubbed toes.

Napoleon




msg:42032
 11:19 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> it's a page-by-page probem <<

That's how it seems. This particular website has not changed in 12 months. Most the pages are still around, but a handful, specifically the index, have just gone. Peculiar, and certainly an indication that something has changed or is changing.

martinibuster




msg:42033
 11:34 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

rofl

?

The last PR update, and major changes before that, were done on the weekend. Despite the "rolling update" there is still a periodic PR update, and it's been happening on the weekends.

The Contractor




msg:42034
 11:45 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is Google purging sites aggressively?

I wouldn't worry too much if you are even close to semi-clean. I've seen a lot of clean sites dropping in the results and floating in and out in just about every industry imaginable. It would be good for business if you were the type to take advantage of peoples fear. Many site owners are frantic thinking that their previous designer/optimization firm did something wrong - not the case in most instances.

Seems when the serps increased so dramatically a while back it was like they knocked over a trash can and let everything spill out. I have never seen so much porn/adult, search strings, mirrors, and hidden text spill into so many results. Looking forward to the day Yahoo starts using their own results once again or Google decides to throw something that resembles a filter into place.

It sickens me to say that I can find more "relevant" sites using MSN search than Google on many topics. I find more people also reverting to MSN including my daughters school and my wife's work (very large non-profit). Amazing how many people outside of the business talk about this, and yet I hear so little about it from others in these forums (except those that have discussed it privately with me). Let's just hope they get their act together and get back to their regularly scheduled program :)

Sorry Google/GoogleGuy but it is becoming noticeable there is a big problem.

DerekH




msg:42035
 11:58 pm on Oct 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

The Contractor wrote
>>Sorry Google/GoogleGuy but it is becoming noticeable there is a big problem. <<

Actually, some people think that the average is averaging out. As I suppose it should do...

As regards choosing one search engine over another, well, one can always do that. Sure there are many who advocate their own favourite search engine over others, but if anyone is "sickened", as The Contractor is, by people choosing one search engine over another, well, I'd recommend some time away from the square-headed girlfriend.

I don't mean to come across as negative as I perhaps seem, so let me add that I have endless smiles and frowns as my sites float and sink, but I have never had cause to feel "sickened" by anything other than the fact that my sites aren't the best. And that's not the fault of Google, MSN, AltaVista or anyone else. Except me.

If my sites are crap, that's MY problem...
DerekH

The Contractor




msg:42036
 12:10 am on Oct 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't mean to come across as negative as I perhaps seem, so let me add that I have endless smiles and frowns as my sites float and sink, but I have never had cause to feel "sickened" by anything other than the fact that my sites aren't the best. And that's not the fault of Google, MSN, AltaVista or anyone else. Except me.

If my sites are crap, that's MY problem...

Ha! Who said anything about my sites? I am very happy with our company site etc.. Not sure who you are referring to, about the girlfriend....Wow take a pill guy and calm down ;)

Talk to many of the people have been around a while and ask them if say Googles results are better in general then 6-months or two years ago.. I know I have talked to many privately that hang out here that I know and trust.

If you don't see it great ;)

edited I don't mean to offend you if your sites floated in when the can got knocked over. I say more power to those that can get away with 100-200 duplicate sites getting great serps. It does offend me when a term such as low caffeine chocolate brings up pages of adult listings like it did a week or so ago.

AthlonInside




msg:42037
 5:37 am on Oct 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

1. Which Datacenters?

2. Remember the time in June 2003 where a lot of people panic in webmasterworld? They lost their index page ranking!

Zapatista




msg:42038
 5:52 am on Oct 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google lost one of my new websites about 12 days ago. It was super clean. No Spam. A 150 page directory website. I am not sure why or how they "lost" it but I am optimistic it will get back in. Googlebot came by another 120 times after they lost it, but no bots have showed up in a few days. The site has a PR4 but might be a PR5 after the next "update." It is still showing PR4.

Keeping my fingers crossed...

Yidaki




msg:42039
 6:16 am on Oct 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>rofl
>?
>there is still a periodic PR update, and it's been happening on the weekends

Sorry mb, i really thought you were joking. I didn't realize that there'd be still a pattern in google's updates.

BigDave




msg:42040
 6:43 am on Oct 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Dropping out of the top three pages is easy to do, and quite normal. A minor algo change can leave most SERPS the same, but for a few sites they can have a very dramatic impact.

I went from #8 on my highest traffic keyphrase last month down to #51. If I was depending on that one keyphrase for a large part of my traffic, I would have been screwed.

Luckily, even though it brough me more traffic than any other keyphrase, it was still only 0.9% of my SE referrals. The 17,000 other keyphrases kept it from being a total catastrophe.

It sounds to me like you got hit with an algo change. You are missing something that has gained in importance that your competitors have.

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