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Are Expired Domains Still Giving PageRank?
dvldvl25

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Msg#: 17395 posted 4:05 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

im new to this just a few weeks but after reading the forum learned decent amount.

Firstly, i thought 2 years ago they took out page rank from expired domains.

I know of two recently purchased domains that are giving page rank of 5 and can pass this on to other sites.

Now my question. I have the option of doing the above. The sites are not in google but have strong links from outside sites in google. this should be of benefit.

Is it possible to create the old page via archive.org and then add an extra keyword or two into the title and body?

Example, title before might have been 'travel <somewhere> information'

change it to 'travel <somewhere> information and education'

If the expired site with high pr was modified to optimise the new added keywords, and then use a single well placed link to a new 0 ranking site containing info about korea and education. would this work?

I think it would be more likely if u had other lower ranking legitimate pr2,3, links coming in also
then one or 2 of the higher expired pr sites.

I think this would work as they were not listed in google, but have links from very strong websites that are high in google. and they are not the highly visible .com/net/org. a small extension. maybe google didnt apply the filter as strictly to these smaller country extensions

Lastly, is pr important now? i read that google is not using it, blogs destroyed it, now it is anchor text only?

<snip>

Any helpful advice welcome
Regards

[edited by: ciml at 4:14 pm (utc) on Oct. 3, 2003]

[edited by: dvldvl25 at 4:51 pm (utc) on Oct. 3, 2003]

[edited by: Marcia at 12:43 am (utc) on Oct. 4, 2003]
[edit reason] No URLS, please! [/edit]

 

PeteU

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Msg#: 17395 posted 4:39 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

yes, yes, you should definitely do this, fool google and make lots of money...
and yes pagerank does not matter anymore, really..

dvldvl25

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Msg#: 17395 posted 4:46 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

no need for sarcasim, i was just asking for some advice :)

would above method work? or am i a few years too late

jcoronella

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Msg#: 17395 posted 5:03 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

You don't need the old sites content necessarily. I have heard of people are doing what you describe successfully. I personally wouldn't spend any real money on an expired domain because their days are numbered (acccording to Google), but if you have one already, and it's getting crawled you should be good to go with whatever content you choose.

Note that I say "if it's getting crawled" and not "if it still shows page rank". It's an important distinction. Frequency of Googlebot visits is the best measure of a page's significance.

The rumors of Page Rank's demise are greatly exaggerated.

dvldvl25

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Msg#: 17395 posted 5:27 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanks for the reply

i was just curious because i read a few posts dated from 2001 and the google guy saying expired page rank wont work anymore.

it was not much of an investment i got the domains for basic registraion price :) a large company i used to work for closed a few parts of the business down and let the names expire. but they stil have inks which are not relevant for me traffic wise but i wanted the pagerank.

i think these pages are not visted much :) but things can change very easily. if i keep the same content and add a few more links, get small traffic the crawl activity will increase?

Quinn

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Msg#: 17395 posted 5:31 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

You guys are making me a little nostalgic.

Dvldvl25 -

Firstly, i thought 2 years ago they took out page rank from expired domains.

They hadn't by this time a year ago.

they are not the highly visible .com/net/org. a small extension. maybe google didnt apply the filter as strictly to these smaller country extensions

I wouldn't assume (not that you have) that a country extension would be treated any differently in this case than any other TLD.

Does this still work?

I've seen a domain that started out as an expired domain - it's totally off topic - turn into a branded flagship. I still laugh every time I see it.

This guy made a crazy, at the time seemingly unreasonable decision, and it worked. Cheers.

ciml

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Msg#: 17395 posted 5:46 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I agree with jcoronella, the content isn't the point. Google are reported to have lists of expired domains, so they can tell which links pre-date the expiration and ignore them.

That doesn't mean that the domain will loose its PageRank tomorrow or the day after, but it might.

> nostalgic

I think that's about right, Quinn. Some expired domains still pass the PR from old links; others don't. I wouldn't like to build a business around the PageRank from an expired domain, but some people have lots of them and get some benefit.

claus

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Msg#: 17395 posted 5:50 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think this thread from March 7, 2003 might be a valuable read:

Good news about expired domains [webmasterworld.com]

/claus


Btw: Welcome to WebmasterWorld dvldvl25 :)
dvldvl25

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Msg#: 17395 posted 6:13 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

thanks for replies very fast :)

i think the content is very relevant.
if you totally change the content the this is a more identifiable flag, but more imporantly, all those links who are giving you page rank lose their relevance.

example, a domain i wanted and was regged last month
<snip> previosuly a big game site some player was ranting. pr5. 2000+ links and the new owner has put some book sale thing on it. those 2000 links are not relevant now.

dont know if pr is declined. but if he kept some of the original content and added a few new incoming links maybe the pr would jump up and those existing 2000 links would mean something and keep value because they match his sites content.

if he added an extra keyword and then gave out 1 link from his site that would carry a lot of weight?

he is using it for sales but for me i would do the above. would it work? just my thinking, maybe im totaly wrong

[edited by: ciml at 6:27 pm (utc) on Oct. 3, 2003]

claus

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Msg#: 17395 posted 10:13 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think the answer to your questions can get no clearer than the messages #10,11,12 of that thread i posted a link to above. Specifically, message 12 says:

When you register a domain for the first time, you won't get the old links for free. You'll have to get them the old-fashioned way

As you are new to this forum, i should have told you that GoogleGuy is an official representative of Google, i'm sorry i forgot to mention this - i guess you could think it was just a nickname of someone not affiliated with the company. His posts are sometimes open to interpretations, but this one is quite clear.

/claus

SEOPTI

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Msg#: 17395 posted 11:15 pm on Oct 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Expired domains still work with Google and transfer PR. I know people who make 20k/week. They register expired domains with high PR and spread it over hundreds of domains and subdomains.

PatrickDeese

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Msg#: 17395 posted 12:11 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Expired domains work until you try to auction them at eBay. ;)

jcoronella

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Msg#: 17395 posted 12:52 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Expired domains work until you try to auction them at eBay. ;)

"The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale. "

jcoronella chuckles quietly to himself but notices it still has a PR8

[edited by: jcoronella at 12:55 am (utc) on Oct. 4, 2003]

dpplgngr

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Msg#: 17395 posted 12:54 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Expired domains still work with Google and transfer PR. I know people who make 20k/week. They register expired domains with high PR and spread it over hundreds of domains and subdomains.

Would you say this is true for all expired domains, or only for those meeting certain requisites?

Quinn

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 17395 posted 1:05 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Would you say this is true for all expired domains, or only for those meeting certain requisites?

This is working for very few.

dpplgngr

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 17395 posted 1:56 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

This is working for very few.

Really? How can you be certain? What distinguishes a retainer?

Quinn

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 17395 posted 2:07 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

dpplgngr,

Sorry I should have been more specific. Relative to the numbers of expired domains in G's index, a year ago, there are very few left.

What distinguishes a retainer?

I don't know the answer to that but I sort of doubt you'll get it. Perhaps they haven't really ever expired?

I don't doubt what SEOPTI is saying though...

<edit>clarification</edit>

[edited by: Quinn at 4:31 am (utc) on Oct. 4, 2003]

PeteU

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Msg#: 17395 posted 2:14 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

SEOpti and Quinn are right and there is deeper truth behind sarcasm for those who can see it...

;)

Net_Wizard



 
Msg#: 17395 posted 3:29 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

IMO, it still works with or without the old content. As long as there are still backlinks to it, whatever will be your new venture, you would still benefit from it.

What Google says and what is actually happening at Google are open to interpretation.

If the days of expired domains are numbered then define numbered? Is it weeks, months, years...all of which would still hold true.

Cheers

claus

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Msg#: 17395 posted 10:37 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> expired domains with high PR and spread it over hundreds of domains and subdomains

One very annoying one i often see in the serps is trying to accomplish this using only javascript links. Makes one wonder, as we know that JS will not get followed. This firm (there are a few of them, perhaps others use real links) has bought a high number of high PR domains and made duplicate directory type search pages out of them. Looks like their customers are satisfied with getting click-throughs as they're certainly not passing on any of that PR - or perhaps there's more to this than meets the eye, one never knows.

Still, it's something else than taking over an old travel site and making a travel and education site out of it.

/claus

dvldvl25

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Msg#: 17395 posted 11:20 am on Oct 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

well im not sure still

one of the expired domains is now at rank 2. for the 'widgitsabcxxx' keyword. the word is not very competitive but, it beats some government sites and a few others not to mention 'widgit' real keyword site. which is halfway down the page.

only got the name a few days ago and in google was displaying the host welcome message :) but now i updated the site and after 1 day google has refrsshed the lisiting. guess the bots are quite active.

so i can see that pr for expired domains is working.
im rank 2 with the welcome to xxx hosting page. and after some quick seo and old site im stil rank 2 today and they updated the listing.

so to conclude expired pr is still working. now. rank 2 proves it. before the expired domain was not listed in google. the time period was approximately 3 days. from no visible listing to ther top. interesting, the seo has not had an effect. ranking did not go up or down. but it only been a day so dont know.

however, i must wait a little, i will try get some new 'real' links and then at some point add in a few new keywords relevant to one of my other sites.

the real test will be if i can pass some of that high page rank onto a new site or if pr cant be passed on because it was an expired domain.

important i think will be to add some relevant keywords matching the new site.

pretty good result for a 1 week old newbie i think, :)

coolasafanman

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 17395 posted 8:02 pm on Oct 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

hey 2 questions:

1) if i change my domain registration from netsol to a different company, does that count as resetting the domain whereby I'd lose my backlinks?

2) anyone know when this expired domain filter will kick in? I'm still seeing spam in this arena.

3) what about domain transfer of ownership? Like if I sell my domain to someone does it retain its backlinks?

hughy1

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 17395 posted 12:12 am on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

expired domains still work it doesn't matter if you change anything , it's still getting a huge boost , I use to do it but then Google will drop it all of the sudden and you have to start over again and all that works is down the drain but you never know how long the pr will remain in some cases I've seen 4-5 months and have been tempted to do it over again especially if I could make automated pages as many do and spam results . And google is in some sort of stagnation with updates so many domains will remain with a pr boost awhile. I would do it.

DaveN

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 17395 posted 7:42 am on Oct 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have seen hit and misses,
sometimes you keep the pr
sometimes it's PR0 after a short period of time
sometimes it's doesn't pass PR on at all

The real trick is to buy many and just delete the ones that don't work, and but get upset if you think you have just found a pot of gold and the pot is empty.

DaveN

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