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Can my plan backfire?
kidalex




msg:104737
 6:59 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have made about 30,000 of HTML pages each being an entry page into my site that caters to a certain keyword combination. Google has sucked in about 15,000 of them. However, I was told that Google can kick me out of their directory. I've been doing this for a while and see many other people doing the same. So, it is possible for it to happen and what people do in order to get back?

Alex

 

2_much




msg:104738
 7:23 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)


Yes, it's possible. Whether they do or not depends on the content of those pages. If it's legit, you should be okay. If it isn't, there's a good chance you'll get "snitched" on at some point and get kicked out.

If you do, you can always clean up the site and write to them asking them to reinclude you in the database.

Also, if your content isn't legit, you might want to consider building a few more alternate sites in case you can't rescue that one.

msr986




msg:104739
 7:25 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

> So, it is possible for it to happen

Yes.

> what people do in order to get back?

Many domains that are 'kicked out' never fully recover. Many people start over with a new domain name. Some people also need to change their IP address.

My best advice, don't get kicked out!

Yidaki




msg:104740
 7:44 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

You allready got kicked out of inktomi [webmasterworld.com] ...

I list about 100 dummie pages on the front page and then when those are sucked in - I link each of them to 100 of the HTML pages.

Seriously, if i were you i wouldn't spend my time asking but changing my site + concept quickly. A matter of time.

Goober




msg:104741
 9:08 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi All,

Could someone explain the 30,000 pages linked to the site? How the heck can you do that? I won't do it, but what does the structure look like?

Thanks,

Goober

Napoleon




msg:104742
 10:22 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> A matter of time... <<

I agree. I don't think you are going to last too long kidalex. You REALLY have to know what you are doing to run a scheme like that (and your questions indicate you don't). Yidaki's advice seems sound to me.

Zapatista




msg:104743
 10:39 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

"..So, it is possible for it to happen..."

Probable, not possible.

If your pages aren't legit, you'll be DOA soon and ground penetrating radar won't find your pages.

dirkz




msg:104744
 11:01 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

How are you "producing" 30,000 HTML pages? First I'm personally interested and second this is some kind of critical success factor for your case.

Dreamquick




msg:104745
 11:20 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Typically there are two routes to producing thousands of pages, both require an underlying database to populate them.

1) Take database content and use an off-line application to generate the pages, essentially using a template and then inserting the variables plus enough unique content to avoid being penalised for having v. similar pages.

2) Create a couple of dynamic pages (I worked out that you only need two actual pages to do this with the right back-end tech - mod_rewrite etc) which then expose a virtual file & directory structure by querying the database on-the-fly. Here you'd have one standard index page and one dynamic page acting as the template, capable of pulling the content from the database on demand to create X different view of itself.

Really a lot of this depends on your datasource - if you're amazon then you have a lot of distinct products with lots of content attached to them which leads to very little problem with duplicates, on the other hand if you were offering an SE-friendly store finder covering 1,000's of locations then you might have to give it a little thought to avoid creating pages which are very similar for instance what's different between your "London Widget Shop" and your "Manchester Widget Shop" aside from their location?

<added>
I know a couple of thousand might sound like a lot but it's not really if you are running perfectly valid permuations ... for instance if I have 10 products I want to target to 100 towns across the UK then I might be looking at creating a thousand possible pages from two reasonbly small lists.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the site structure you use will largely be dictated by how you intend to market the site - if it's going to be a normal site which will gain links naturally then the structure could be a bit nicer than one which is designed purely to be SE fodder.
</added>

- Tony

[edited by: Dreamquick at 11:41 am (utc) on Sep. 29, 2003]

skipfactor




msg:104746
 11:33 am on Sep 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

You allready got kicked out of inktomi ...

And you already asked about this one, though you got the right forum this time. :)

[webmasterworld.com...]

kidalex




msg:104747
 2:17 am on Sep 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi, This is kidalex ( the original poster ). Let me address some of the things that people are stating / asking:

1. I generated those pages out of about bunch of keywords and bunch of city / area/ state names that my site is catering to. All of those pages look pretty much the same, but if person is looking for that particular set of keywords - my site is what they are looking for!

2. What should I do instead if there are REALLY thousands of keyword combinations that I'm interested in?

Alex

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