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Flash caption & js navigation scare away Gbot?
Freshman



 
Msg#: 16814 posted 3:37 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm a newbie webmaster and I suppose I've got a lot more to learn...
Despite all my SEO efforts (a loooot of time spent) I still can't get enough visitors under keywords that I selected. :)
My last resort is your forum :)
Technical details:
1) I've got a flash caption at the top (maybe it scares people away? - if they have no Macromedia plugin?)
2) Login window on each page
3) Javascript menu for navigation (they say - google doesn't parse JS locations - maybe it's the reason why I can't get all my pages indexed). I got meta tag robots ("all") - no visible results:( I have no robots.txt though.

Which of the three is most harmful? What can and must be done away with? Also if anybody cares to go <snip> and give his evaluation of what he sees - this would be immensely appreciated!
My idea would be create a site map and feed it to SEs to get all pages indexed. It's been a while already (about 6 months) and I still can't get any other page indexed apart from the one fed to Gbot at addurl.html.

Advise from big experienced webmasters needed

[edited by: Marcia at 3:46 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2003]
[edit reason] No urls or site review, sorry. [/edit]

 

Marcia

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Msg#: 16814 posted 3:55 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

In order:

1) I've got a flash caption at the top (maybe it scares people away? - if they have no Macromedia plugin?)

If it's an HTML page with just some Flash in, that might be OK, depending.

2) Login window on each page

Whoops, sorry but bots can't login to get to pages. And Session IDs are also out. That could easily do it.

3) Javascript menu for navigation (they say - google doesn't parse JS locations - maybe it's the reason why I can't get all my pages indexed).

JS ignorant here, but they don't do JS - a navigable link is necessary. An alternative regular navigation with anchor text in links would do you a world of good. Unless of course, there are Session IDs and a signin required.

I got meta tag robots ("all") - no visible results I have no robots.txt though.

You could leave that tag out altogether because index is the default. But that syntax isn't right and at one time way back when Alta Vista wrote back and told someone to get it right with proper syntax

<meta name="robots" content="index,follow">

I just spent 5 weeks wondering why Google wouldn't include a new site, even with a couple of good links to it. Duhh... finally thought to check that out last night and the noindex,nofollow made its way into the Dreamweaver template all across the site. We all have our days ;)

Freshman



 
Msg#: 16814 posted 4:11 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks Marcia!

I understand that proper way to write robots meta tag is
<meta name="robots" content="all">.

What I'm most interested in:
what if I make a site map page with normal href's and feed this page to GoogleBot on www.google.com/addurl.html?
Do you think it might help to get all pages indexed?

Val

jon80

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 16814 posted 4:16 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Does you site have a few decent external links, preferably from PR4+ sites?

Marcia

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Msg#: 16814 posted 4:17 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

No, index,follow is the right way. See if they still have the help pages over at Alta Vista - and check w3c.org for all syntax.

what if I make a site map page with normal href's and feed this page to GoogleBot on www.google.com/addurl.html?
Do you think it might help to get all pages indexed?

If there's a text link from the homepage to the site map you'll be OK, though you won't be distributing the PR around the site properly of all else is JS links. Unless there's a sign-in on all the pages and Session IDs.

Freshman



 
Msg#: 16814 posted 4:34 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Does you site have a few decent external links, preferably from PR4+ sites?

There are a few links from PR3+ sites to the home page which gives our home page tha PR of 4.
But: there are no inbound links for other pages.

If there's a text link from the homepage to the site map you'll be OK, though you won't be distributing the PR around the site properly of all else is JS links. Unless there's a sign-in on all the pages and Session IDs.

Not quite sure what you mean. No session IDs - it's just that there are login windows on the right of each page - it's more usability concern - I am concerned that they might piss off visitors :(
same as annoying blank space at the top if you don't have macromedia plugin

Mohamed_E

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Msg#: 16814 posted 4:59 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Freshman!

Robots meta tags and robots.txt have only one function: to keep robots away from content that you do not want them to index. They are unnecessary if you want robots to index your whole site, that is the default behavior.

A site map is extremely useful to both robots and human visitors.

Freshman



 
Msg#: 16814 posted 7:33 am on Sep 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, but has anybody practiced that before, i.e. "feeding" site map page to GoogleBot at google.com/addurl.html?

IMHO it's a surefire way to get all pages indexed;)

What do you think?

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