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Problem with 2 brand new websites
Need ideas for a solution!
CygnusX1




msg:88492
 10:30 pm on Sep 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi All,

I optimized 2 new websites that I feel that I did well on, for both sites being new. Neither website was listed on Google. To get Google to index these 2 websites quickly, I put them on the home page of my business website. My business website does very well on google. Google indexed the 2 new websites and they did well in the listings on the key phrases that I went after. After 3 weeks, I took off the links to both new websites that were listed on my home page; they dropped on their listings very hard. I was the only website linking to both of them. I know that a link campaign would be in order, but with so much spam and virus attacks, I think a link campaign by email would not be the best idea.

My questions:

Is a new website penalized that much for being new and no links from other websites?

If so how do I overcome these penalties and get better listings without listing them back on my websites home page or starting a link campaign?

How much time must go by before there is no penalty for a site being new?

Thanks for any help,

CygnusX1

 

Mark_A




msg:88493
 2:54 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

You have proved the value of even a small number of good inward links.

Dont worry about email virus etc .. get on and get some links in .. you can also use the phone you know :-)

doc_z




msg:88494
 4:52 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Of course, new websites are not penalized. Moreover, it seems that they get some benefit. When you removed the links from your website, you decreased the PR of those pages/sites and you removed the anchor text. These are two important factors of the ranking algorithm. Therefore, the ranking changed significantly. This has nothing to do with the age of the site.

As already mentioned, get some links.

CygnusX1




msg:88495
 11:38 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the advice. I will try and get them some links pointing their way.

CygnusX1

olderscot




msg:88496
 9:45 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google won't list a site that has no external links to it. This has always been true for new sites and I'm sure the same algorithm works for existing sites too.

The standard way of getting into google is usually to either:

a) link from an existing site.

or:

b) Get a listing in DMOZ, Yahoo, etc (always a good idea but will often take a week or two).

Mike

onfire




msg:88497
 10:07 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Links Links Links

Try and look for a few quality links with PR5 (if you can get higher then even better)

Some say go and get as many as you can, but really its comes down to quality rather than quantity.

Also make your links page presentable, put a bit of effort into it, don't just do lists of links (urls) and banners, which when viewed looks like a jungle and really useless to those browsing the site.

Then when you have asked for a Link, and they come to check your site out, and even though you have now PR right now they can see you have made the effort with the presentation etc.

As already mentioned apply for category that's related to your Site/s in DMOZ (which can take from a week to 6 months plus) & submit to Yahoo if your willing to pay/invest in the new sites you have put up (I think its free if the site is non commercial )

BlueSky




msg:88498
 10:32 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google won't list a site that has no external links to it. This has always been true for new sites and I'm sure the same algorithm works for existing sites too.

That may have been true at one time but not today. I know of a few sites that are in the index which don't have any external links yet. They don't rank well but they're in the index.

valeyard




msg:88499
 11:41 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)



Google won't list a site that has no external links to it. This has always been true for new sites and I'm sure the same algorithm works for existing sites too.

That may have been true at one time but not today. I know of a few sites that are in the index which don't have any external links yet. They don't rank well but they're in the index.

I think it's simply a case that Google (obviously) won't list pages it doesn't know about. If a page is new with no incoming links, Google doesn't know it's there to be indexed.

Once Google does know about it, the page should stay in the index even if all incoming links disappear. According to the original PR algo every page has at least some "natural" PR.

Of course, it won't have enough PR to show in the SERPS unless it's got some extremely specialised content.

All of which is interesting but irrelevant. The bottom line is still: "get those quality links".

BlueSky




msg:88500
 12:35 pm on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Googlebot goes off exploring, and that's how these sites were found. Oh, I wholeheartedly agree about getting quality links. It doesn't take that many to get a decent PR from them.

CygnusX1




msg:88501
 12:39 pm on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)


I will have them focus on getting some links pointing at their website.

Thanks everyone for you help.

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