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No PR - Still Waiting
Six months and nothing's changed
Cianna




msg:65111
 1:11 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

I started my site in February '03, put my retail store up there in April. I have a DMOZ listing (about 2 months now), a minimum of two PR4 links to the site (there are more but don't seem to be showing anywhere), recently acquired a PR6 link, as well as a PR5. Google wiped out the links it used to show for me about two months ago (they were never current) and now shows nothing. Nada. And most of my pages, when searched for, are not cached in Google ("Sorry, nothing to show for your search.), even though other SE's show around 23 of them.

I have two important pages at my site, the home/index page, and the "lobby" of the store. Both are indexed, both are cached, no PR, no backlinks. I'm at a total loss as to what to do. Everyone keeps saying, "Be patient." I've been waiting, and never see any changes, even when this board is jumping with news that PR ranks are changing, serps are changing, etc.

Am I just totally clueless?

 

seeber01




msg:65112
 4:19 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sticky me your url and I will check it out and see if I can help.

Cianna




msg:65113
 4:33 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thank you! Sticky on its way.

dirkz




msg:65114
 5:06 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

What do you mean by "no PR"? PR bar is grey, or PR0? Also, which position do your pages have in the SERPs? If in doubt, I would just estimate my PR from my position.

Currently, you can't trust the toolbar ...

Cianna




msg:65115
 5:29 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Tool bar is white. Home page/index is on the 11 page of the serps, store lobby is on 5th page of the serps (same keyword phrase). This is in a highly defined niche market.

Gus_R




msg:65116
 6:38 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Check sites behind you what pr they have.
Probably you'll noticed your site has pr but toolbar doesn't show it.
It's very common this days as you can see in several threads here.

Cianna




msg:65117
 7:09 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Check sites behind you what pr they have.
Probably you'll noticed your site has pr but toolbar doesn't show it.
It's very common this days as you can see in several threads here.

I don't think it's that simple. I just checked my position for the page that shows on the 5th page of the search results for my keyword phrase. The sites listed in it's immediate proximity are all 1's, an occasional 2. My page that shows on the 11th page of the search results has a PR3 just behind it! It makes no sense at all. Not to this gal, anyway.

cabbie




msg:65118
 7:44 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Was your sites name used before you had it?It might be fighting an expired domain penalty

samsagaz




msg:65119
 7:47 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

well why is PR helpful?

i have like 5 sites with PR4 and PR5 and just getting less than 10 hits/day

Cianna




msg:65120
 11:07 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

well why is PR helpful?

It's not...these days. In many ways, believe it or not, I'm not complaining. I've been getting decent traffic since before Google finally managed to move me out of my page XXX position to where I am now. And that's because I've paid for appropriate, targeted advertising, hung out in advantageous neighborhoods, networked like crazy and, in general, did all the PR and marketing things I knew to do (that's where my professional background lies).

The problem, the frustrations, I'm having are because the public has a perception about Google without the background knowledge that the rest of us do. They know enough now (through things like the recent article in USA Today) to know *what* Google is, and what Page Rank is. But they don't know that Google and PR are screwed up in many ways. So, the average person, looking to buy perhaps, comes to my shop and sees no PR. Does that inspire confidence? Does that make them want to put aside their reservations about ordering something via the Internet and place an order on my site? I don't think so. I shop the web myself, and I know I look at things like that...or used to. :(

That's what makes me angry and frustrated. There is a public perception out there about Google, but not the knowledge (or acknowledgement from Google) that there are problems with the system at present. And I beleive that is hurting businesses like mine, a small, start-up that struggles enough without Google adding to the situation.

My two cents.

Cianna




msg:65121
 11:11 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

Cabbie:
To the best of my knowledge the site hasn't been owned since 1997, and at that time was a benign embroidery site, or something along those lines.

jimh009




msg:65122
 3:50 am on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Ciana,

Not sure why you're having such problems with getting your pages in Google, but losing potential customers due to PR0 on your home page seems kind of odd.

Most people, beyond being webmasters, don't know thing one about PR other than it is used to place sites in the index. Most people don't even have the Google Toolbar installed. Or have the PR feature turned on (it's off by default). I never heard of the toolbar or Google pagerank until I launched my own sites, and most other people I know are the same way.

Getting some PR is indeed important for your SE rankings, no doubt about that. But, as far as converting your actual sites visitors (unless your visitors are webmasters or your site is a SEO/Web Designer Site), I don't think you have much to worry about due to having a PR0.

Jim

BlueSky




msg:65123
 4:05 am on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

They know enough now (through things like the recent article in USA Today) to know *what* Google is, and what Page Rank is. But they don't know that Google and PR are screwed up in many ways. So, the average person, looking to buy perhaps, comes to my shop and sees no PR. Does that inspire confidence?

I think you're wrong. Before putting up a website last month, I was an average person surfing. Until I ran into this site, I had no idea what PR meant. Sure, I saw the green bars in Google and DMOZ directory, but they were meaningless to me. I didn't care if a site had an 8, 4, or a 2. What was important to me was content. Often those rated at the top didn't have the info I needed which reinforced my thinking the green bar was meaningless. Even if I read an article about it, my opinion would still be the same. And, I never looked at a site's PR before purchasing anything.

I don't think my perception is that far off from the average Joe. You can test this out though very easily. Go to the mall and approach 12 different strangers (pick them in your target audience) and ask them to explain PR and how important it is to them. I suspect you'll find 10 of the 12 will not even know what you're talking about even after you explain it. Although many webmasters here seem to sweat over PR, I really don't think it's important to the average surfer.

I understand your frustration though. I don't know why you would still have a PR0 unless you did something maybe inadvertently to get yourself penalized. Why don't you write to Google and ask if your domain is on their blacklist.

Small Website Guy




msg:65124
 4:58 am on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ask 10 computer programmers what PageRank is and they won't have any idea.

Like others, I never heard of PageRank until I found this forum, and I've been working in the IT world for many years.

Cianna




msg:65125
 1:36 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've no doubt that you guys are right, in some circumstances. But I'm not talking about casual web surfers here. I'm talking about (with-in my niche) rpg-ers, web site owners, other small business owners (with a web presence), gamers, people with high levels of education: these groups make up many of my potential customers and, by and large, they are heavy computer users with web sites of their own. They know what Google Page Rank is. Hell, even the bloggers, many of them, know what Google is. The times they are a'changin. *grin*

Go to the mall and approach 12 different strangers (pick them in your target audience) and ask them to explain PR and how important it is to them.

Of course these people aren't going to know what PR is. For the most part they will be casual web users. But if I were to go into, say, a convention of gamers, many of whom maintain their own fan websites and compete for "supremacy", I'll bet you 10 of those strangers *could* tell me what PR is, and why it's important. And this is part of my target audience.

Again, just my view on the subject as seen from the back of the theater.

Small Website Guy




msg:65126
 9:31 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've had a website since 1998, and I never knew what PageRank is until this winter when I learned about it from this forum.

I think very few people know about PageRank.

steveb




msg:65127
 9:50 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

"I think very few people know about PageRank."

Which is a big part of why doing very well in the serps in many areas of the web is pretty easy.

Chndru




msg:65128
 11:12 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

"I think very few people know about PageRank."

Wonder why some say 'ignorance is a bliss' :)

Arnett




msg:65129
 2:43 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Was your sites name used before you had it?It might be fighting an expired domain penalty

I am having a similar problem with a site that I just set up. The company who owned the domain name had it parked and wouldn't transfer it to me. I waited for it to expire because it is natural domain name composed of a popular two word search term.

I had it parked myself for awhile. The 404 catcher routed all requests for it to the 404 error destination,which had a PR3 at the time. I finally got around to setting up the site around Dominic time. Two months later the domain was finally spidered and indexed. PR0. Now two months later it is showing recent cache results.

What is an expired domain penalty? Does it go into effect when a domain expires? When it is registered to someone else how long does the penalty remain in effect?

cabbie




msg:65130
 4:46 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

> What is an expired domain penalty? Does it go into effect when a domain expires? When it is registered to someone else how long does the penalty remain in effect?

Prior to March an expired domain would retain all the backlinks it had before expiring.Buying expired domains was an easy way to get PR and good placings in Google's SERPS.
Google in its wisdom decided to fight this manipulation of its SERPS and removed all domains that had expired the previous 1 or 2 years from its index.Of course this was throwing out the baby with the bathwater and many good domains that had acquired good new links since being reregisted were harshly done by.Even now those domains are either still not in the index or so far down it does not matter.
The irony is recently expired domains(since April) seem to suffer no penalty at all.
You could ask google for reinclusion but I am not sure if that works or not.

raj_freind8




msg:65131
 9:40 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

PR stand for Page Rank
Page Rank Means Inbound - Outbound link from your site..
Inbound Link: Other site referral your site link...
Outbound Link: Your site referral other site link...

Google Indexing work lots of strategy PR is one of them if your site have lots of inbound - outbound link so your site PR is normally high and you can also receive hits or visitor from that site who have your site's link and link popularity increase your site indexing in google,

Check your site link popularity

here important thing to do for PR

> Link: Quality link than Quantity link.
> Submit your linking page url in google too.

Here lots of thing to do for PR

[edited by: heini at 10:47 am (utc) on Sep. 1, 2003]
[edit reason] please don't drop urls, thank you! [/edit]

olderscot




msg:65132
 9:52 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Cianna,

Forget patience. Google's now updating PR and SERPS regularly and if you're not appearing in the results then something is wrong somewhere.

There could be a number of reasons, from low PR to poor optimisation but it's hard to say without knowing the specifics.

If you don't hear back from Seeber01, sticky me your url and keywords and I'll take a look.

Mike

Cianna




msg:65133
 2:32 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Forget patience. Google's now updating PR and SERPS regularly and if you're not appearing in the results then something is wrong somewhere.

Thanks, Mike. That's the way I look at it. I've acquired links from a PR6, two PR5s, several PR4s. Hasn't made a bit of difference. And I don't appear to be penalized. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I appreciate the offer of assistance. :)

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