| 7:10 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Congratulations, WFN! Great post too, thanks for sharing it.
| 7:10 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I hate to put a pin in your balloon but we have a site with 1 PR5 backlink, minimal content (5 pages) and it has also recently gotten a PR4. It seems that all you need is 1 PR5 backlink.
A better question is where is your site for the keywords that you did the SEO for? Are you in the top 20? PR4 means very little it seems these days.
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| 7:38 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Tropical Island: Hey, getting excited on a PR4 is typically not that big a deal for the pros posting here, but it is exciting for me, as this is my real first go around with SEO. And yes, I have several PR5 sites linking to me. As for my ranking for my top 15 keyword phrases, I am showing #1 through #12 on all but a couple phrases.
The important thing I am learning, after Brett's 26 steps, is going back through the logs and seeing what people search for. I then post a new page with that phrase, this has really helped.
Hope this helps some other newbies out there, struggling (as I was) with a new site and a PR 0.
| 7:54 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Hey, don't let them pick on you! I'm a SEO newbie too. My site is only a few months old, and I used to have PR 4 on my index, and white-bar zeros on all interior pages. BUT AS OF TODAY, I made it to a PR 5 index page and PR 4 on all my main interior pages! And SERPS or no, I'm happy as a clam!
| 7:55 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Doesn't really matter what your PR is if you have no traffic. How many visitors a day is your PR 4 giving you?
| 8:00 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
WFN, thanks for the motivational post! Congratulations!
| 8:02 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>How many visitors a day is your PR 4 giving you?
If it's 1 a day, it's more than it would have been before putting in all that hard work on the site. And if it's 2 a day next week, that'll be double the traffic.
A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
And yes, thanks for the encouragement. We all started someplace.
Five and a half years ago my daughter taped a note up on a computer monitor with an arrow pointing, saying "Mom, first you push the button on front - and this is the Windows START button. You point the mouse and click on that... "
[edited by: Marcia at 8:07 pm (utc) on Aug. 29, 2003]
| 8:07 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Good for you "Newbie"
Go for it
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| 8:15 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Markus007 - Bond, James Bond!
The number of hits per day (very competitive phrase pages) is averaging 30. The number of hits for niche phrases, is averaging 160. I'm in a competitive field, but very few, if any, competitors, are making the internet work for them (my product is "old school" in internet terms, and is usually not sold via internet and click throughs versus buys is only 2%, but this should improve with what I am doing).
Now, I'm not trying to be everything to everybody on my site. My very small hits per day is acceptable to me (and I believe is beating my main competitors who pay for clicks), as I am just getting started. The above is posted here to help others gain from the experience, because everything is possible.
Another important point: write good copy to keep their interest and make the reader perform an action.
My results, and in particular, my very high ROI make this work for me at this point in time. When I start with PPC and PFI, as a business owner, I have to know I'm going to get what I expect to pay for, with a good ROI.
Thanks all, WFN :)
| 8:28 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
well done - i just wanted to agree with everything you've said and wish I wrote such a good post ;)
I'm in pretty much the same boat. Launched site around July 10th - indexed by Google around the 17th - PR4 popped up today on the toolbar - I've got about 100 pages indexed so far, some of them are forum pages though, I'm not doing great on the main keywords I was going for as they are competitive (2 million + results for the query and i'm down at about #150 - but it's early days) but i'm getting about 350 referrals a day on related queries and a lot of people are hanging around for 5 - 10 mins.
As you said content is king - i'm really pleased so far - and for anyone new to this area, bretts 26 steps - [searchengineworld.com...] - are a must read - and thank you all for the great advice on webmasterworld.
| 8:35 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Well done WFN!
You're doing everything right - in a few months time you'll be advising the other newbies on here about anchor text (trust me!) and backlinks, page titles etc and you'll be PR6 and 1000 visits a day.
And then, beyond that, the sky's the limit.
| 9:17 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I wish I was as successful with PR. I started my site January 26th got indexed in mid Febuary and I am still at PR0. As of this latest update the few links I have showing with the links command have dissapeared.
Good work on your PR4
| 9:38 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
WFN, ses4j, mcavill, congrats to all - and Harwich you'll get there too i'm sure :) :)
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| 9:50 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Harwich, hang in there. Even when I do the link command for backlinks on G, only 2 sites show (and I know I have more). Someone told me that the only sites that show with the link command are PR4 and higher, but I do not know this for sure.
Go take a look at Brett's post about the 26 steps to ranking with G in one year, that is the primary start I used (my summary above is just what I did). This could be a best seller if it were a book!
Brett's 26 steps can be found here:
Great info if you follow the rules! Hope that helps!
| 10:43 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I think I have the similar situation here, all my pages PR just jumped from 1 to 4 yesterday.(some are PR3)
the site was online about 3 months ago, and indexed by google about 2 months ago, 1 month ago got my PR1,
I haven't done any link development and SEO so far except submitting to DMOZ, now google links shows only a link from DMOZ and several internal links. Does google like my site:) or maybe I'm just lucky.
| 11:01 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Woohoo! My PR just got updated too, and I got a PR4 in 1 month thanks to WebmasterWorld just like WFN! :D :D :D
| 11:16 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I have an page which is nothing more than a dynamic display of the top 9 most viewed photos from a sporting club web site's photo galleries. It has no backlinks except off the homepage of the site, only been online a month ... and it now has a PR of 4. Total surprise.
| 11:32 pm on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I gotta go with WFN. My site has been up since June and I just got a PR3. I almost burst a vein. Do you understand what that means to someone just starting out? I can't explain the excitement that I feel. I'm sure that after a while that it'll rub off, but for me it's like this: I am walking in the woods with no map, some general direction of where to go, no money, and then I meet the oGre. He is benign. He won't tell me where to go, or what to do, but he can help me. Wander, wander, wander....hey, there's a light!
Everyone who knows more than I do has helped me by posting on this site. From Brett, to GG, to /claus and WFN, you all have added to enjoyment of developing my site.
| 12:15 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
It doesn't take very many links to get a high PR. I had one site that had less than 10 links to it and had a PR of 6. Now it has 14 pages linking to it, and the PR went down to 5. You just need a few high PR sites to get a high PR yourself.
| 12:36 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Anchor Text! Can't say enough! I've noticed something without realizing it before. I have 77 pages with the main pages(text link) listed on a "menu bar" on the left side of each page. A good number of those phrases rank #1 in google and are used quite a bit...least in my industry.
Now it's a matter of tweaking the text descriptions for better optimization. I gotta use that "link to me" thingie. Thanks:)
| 12:48 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
My PR jumped today as well! I was pleased this morning to discover that my PR 0 is now a PR 4!
| 12:55 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
PR? I was a five on the home page until recently..dropped to a four, but many other pages went from 2 and three to a four PR. I'm a happy camper.
| 12:58 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Well done, WFN. The only bad part is now you're going to have to change your nickname!
| 1:03 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Congrats! My PR also increased tremendously since I started reading the posts here in WW. No moment is wasted while staying in this forum.
| 1:06 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Very nicely done WFN!
Keep it up and you'll be so confident in your skills...you just keep doing what your doing.
This is a great thread!
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| 1:50 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
As the saying I believe goes, "The meek shall inherit the earth," well these folks:
and the others that got a better PR in this latest "update," congratulations! Now, if the last major update at G was nicknamed "Esmerelda", how about calling this minor update
"Fluorescent" because I believe many are starting to see the light!
PeterD I know, I can't change my name at this point, but I think after 150 posts (almost there!) I'll at least be a "full member."
Hardwood Guy Glad I could help with that on the "link to me thingie," because it does work and I got the idea in one of the posts in the Link Development forum here at WebmasterWorld. (I read every post there, took me about 3 hours, wheww...)
Keep up the work, and when you need a boast in moral, come back to this thread or many of the others here at WW - it will change your attitude AND your PR!
| 8:39 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I can't say enough..I'm delighted with the progress of my site's activities. PR doesn't impress me as much as getting near the top in search queries. Having spent alot of time the last 5-6 weeks tweaking and adding pages, my traffic has gone from 2200 visitors per week to about 4600. I just need to naildown that top two word search phrase that has me around 42 on google.
I'm happy for everyone's great progress. I probably would have lost interest in this if I hadn't found Webmasterworld last November. Only problem is, I'm beginning to run out of subject matter...but I get ideas if I step away from it for a few days. I don't use any PPC either..can't afford it...waste of money IMO for the time being. I'll have to work on that "first sentence." Kinda forgot about it.
| 8:50 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
nice going WFN .. I am happy for everyone that got their site's pr increased by sincere efforts. I got my site to PR7 from PR4 in a month! woohoo
| 9:27 am on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I've been doing a few tests to try to get a handle on pr transfer, I have 2 domains that were first registered in July, links added to 4 pr5 pages with 20 total outbound links per page on 07/17. Those are the only links pointing to those particular domains. As of today they are both pr5. Unfortunately, of the 20 outbound links on each of the 4 link pages only these 2 were pr0 to begin with, the rest were all pr3-5, so I don't know what would have happened if they had all started out pr0.
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