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Question on PDF's - Help
Is there any way that a hyperlink can be embedded?
Some_Bloke

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Msg#: 16212 posted 3:40 pm on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just got myself a small problem. As an experiment I made a page of my site into a .pdf file and sumitted the exact path to Google. Within 24 hours my sites index page had been replaced by it. Whoops! - no links or inter-activity any more.

I'm sure I read somewhere about putting hyperlinks in pdf files is it at all possible?

My only other option as far as I can see, is to auto forward the page and give it a noindex,follow robots.txt

Any advice would be especially welcome at the moment.

Cheers,

Dave

 

Marcia

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Msg#: 16212 posted 6:38 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Was the link from the homepage to the PDF file?

TheDave

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Msg#: 16212 posted 6:53 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

What is google's latest fetish with PDF's all about? :/ They're aweful things.

Maybe you can just delink the PDF, delete the file and hope that g picks it up as quick as it did in the first place?

BlueSky

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Msg#: 16212 posted 7:06 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm sure I read somewhere about putting hyperlinks in pdf files is it at all possible?

Yes, it is but I don't know if bots follow those.

How did you have this set up? I've never seen that happen on other sites which offer PDFs.

Jenstar

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Msg#: 16212 posted 7:16 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, you can put hyperlinks in PDFs. You have to have the URLs as [yourdomain.com...] for them to be picked up properly and hyperlinked when you convert the file into a .pdf having www.yourdomain.com won't work to make it hyperlinked.

Likewise, if you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat (NOT the Reader) you can imbed links into the text by clicking on the link button (looks like two chain links)Click it, and it will bring up link properties. Under Appearance Type choose invisible (unless you want a box to appear around each link). Under Action Type, choose World Wide Web Link. Then click edit URL and enter in the URL you want it to go to. Then hit set link.

I am not sure if Googlebot follows those links though. But from a usability standpoint, it will work for people who load your .pdf file.

Some_Bloke

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Msg#: 16212 posted 8:43 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the speedy replies.

>>Marcia: Was the link from the homepage to the PDF file?

No, it was [www----co.uk...]
with no links at all. I just submitted the full url on Googles submission page.

I didn't see any sign of the "bots" crawling the page when I looked through the logs, although they were all over the rest of the site the next day. (quite normal behaviour-they crawl about every second day)

The page appeared on the SERPs in less than 24 hours. Stupidly I'd made the PDF very similar to the index file and it now replaces that but at a couple of positions higher.

If I could get active hyperlinks it would be a good doorway page.

This thread took a while to get modded in, so I just took a chance and replaced the file with an auto forwarding page with noindex tag which seems to work ok in IE. (Netscape gives an error though.)

Dave

Jenstar

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Msg#: 16212 posted 8:49 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)


If I could get active hyperlinks it would be a good doorway page.

Many, many people won't click on a PDF, even if it contains exactly what they are looking for, and even if it is the ONLY thing that contains what they are looking for.

Take a read through the thread Jakob Says PDFs Unfit for Human Consumption [webmasterworld.com]. It will shed some light about why most tend to avoid .pdf like the plague, especially as an entry page to a site.

Some_Bloke

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Msg#: 16212 posted 8:58 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Take a read through the thread Jakob Says PDFs Unfit for Human Consumption. It will shed some light about why most tend to avoid .pdf like the plague, especially as an entry page to a site.

Yes,I agree in general. I hate the things - but I was trying some software which allowed me to take a snapshot of an html page and at first glance it doesn't appear to be a .pdf just a normal web page with some extra bits of text. It even fooled me for a second or two.

Dave

Jenstar

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Msg#: 16212 posted 9:05 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

People on dial up or on older computers will DEFINITELY know it is a .pdf There is a world of difference between looking like an html page, and actually being one, especially when your browser crashes because of it ;)

doc_z

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Msg#: 16212 posted 9:18 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

As far as I know, Google follows links within PDF files. Also, the links within PDFs are used for PR calculation and shown as back links.

SlyOldDog

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Msg#: 16212 posted 9:37 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

PDFs may be useless but they are great for filling the SERPs up to push out your competition.

Who said I was cynical? ;)

BlueSky

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Msg#: 16212 posted 9:53 am on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Perhaps your index was dropped because of the dupe info. I recommend using a page that's not currently on your site to experiment.

I'm on a dial up and read PDFs quite frequently. My computer has never crashed from them. Those experiencing this are probably using older PDF software and not the current version. Or have a computer with memory leaks.

I agree most people prefer html webpages, but this medium is not great for lengthly prose or detailed work. People have difficulty keeping their attention and will skim and jump over entire sections. PDF's are not the tool for everything but they work fine for lengthy or detailed material which will be looked at or printed out for later reading. Avoiding PDF because you don't personally like it is just as wrong as someone who uses it for everything.

Jenstar

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Msg#: 16212 posted 5:17 pm on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Avoiding PDF because you don't personally like it is just as wrong as someone who uses it for everything.

Don't get me wrong, I love .pdfs, I use them myself. But I also provide customer service for people reading .pdfs so I am well aware of the many problems people have with them. That is why I believe they should be used sparingly, and definitely not for a site entry page.

I had an older computer and was on dial up, and opening a .pdf on the fly (in the browser) would crash it every time. I especially hated inadvertantly clicking on a link and not knowing it was a .pdf when I did. I could only view them to save them to my hard drive first. And no amount of reinstalling plugins or updated versions of the reader helped at all. And from providing customer service, I know many people run into these issues even now, even with Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.0

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