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msg:79632
 9:18 pm on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have just created a new website and spent a great deal of time and effort optimizing it for high search results on certain keyword phrases that are reasonably competitive.

Within 1 week of submitting the site to Google it appears in searches for the keywords I concentrated on - in fact it appears in the top 5 already, surrounded by websites that deal with the same subject matter and have been there for years with PR's of 5,6, and 7.

Funny thing is, my site has No page rank no outside links.

This leads me to believe page rank is not worth much anymore. Any comments?

 

rogerd




msg:79633
 9:26 pm on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Vermont. The toolbar has not been accurately displaying PR lately. It looked like it was starting to catch up, but apparently it hasn't in the case of your site. I'd be a bit surprised if you ranked well with absolutely no links, though.

lazyz




msg:79634
 9:28 pm on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

rogerd -

I have a site that until a day or two ago was a PR5, it is still showing up for the normal search terms, still shows back links, yet it is showing a PR0 - Hopefully you are correct and this isn't a PR0.

storevalley




msg:79635
 9:46 pm on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

This leads me to believe page rank is not worth much anymore

Hi Vermont ...

I have had pretty much the same experience in several areas. Good on-page optimisation alone can certainly achieve results.

But try the same trick in any competitive area (say SERPs with 1 million+ results where SEO activity is obvious). You will be quickly introduced to the value of good PR :)

No page rank no outside links

If this is really true, have another look in a week. The site will probably have vanished again (time to go and find a link or two!)

bluemi




msg:79636
 1:36 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I just redesigned a site from a frames version to frameless. Within less than a day that the new version went online its PR went up from 5 to 6. Even if it doesn't mean a lot anymore these days it shows that a clean HTML code does help! PR is a lot more than just incoming links.

storevalley




msg:79637
 7:49 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

PR is a lot more than just incoming links

Not so. Check this out ...

[google.com...]

However, redesigning a site can make a change to the way pagerank is distributed. This could explain the change in PR of a certain page of your site.

Note that PR is assigned to a page, not a site.

Netizen




msg:79638
 8:39 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

It might just be that the toolbar was reflecting the PR of the frameset page and now you are seeing the true PR of the internal pages - if you kept the names the same, that is.

pnlla_rav




msg:79639
 8:54 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have got a site with page rank 3 and 6 months old.
But it is not doing well for targetted key word.
I think PR is not related to Ranking.

newsphinx




msg:79640
 9:08 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Vermont

Are you sure that you do not have any link? :o Let me have a wild guess. You register the domain recently which was expired and deleted and however still have links to it from other sites you don't know.

MonkeeSage




msg:79641
 9:17 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

If SERPS placement is directly related to PR, and PR is directly related to links, then I wonder who is linking to all the PDFs and to ebay and to amazon?

Jordan

hetzeld




msg:79642
 9:22 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

If SERPS placement is directly related to PR, and PR is directly related to links, then I wonder who is linking to all the PDFs and to ebay and to amazon?

They have a lot of affiliate links... it helps. :)

Dan

suggy




msg:79643
 9:26 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

It seems to me that PR is a ticket to play item really.

Where there is a lack of SEO-savvy webmasters, not much PR is required to do rather well in the SERPS - say 3 or 4.

Where there is more SEO going on, a higher PR is going to be required to play for the top places, but it isn't the decider!

When you first start out, and with new pages, Google seems to let you play anyway - perhaps because your pages are fresh and google likes fresh content.

IMHO

Steve

rocco




msg:79644
 9:56 am on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

pr does not show up the first lets say 60 days, even if you got very good backlinks... eg some of my sites are pr7 after 3 months, after 2 months they were only pr2 although i havent changed anything.

...or...

the domains listed here have still high pagerank although they have been down for over 60 day as these are expired domainnames.

[adult-webmaster-tools.com...]

pr is acting very strange now, that's why expired domain names became pretty worthless (sometimes you can find a good one though)

(although link contains the word "adult" there is no adult content on this site, nor any links to adult sites)

ericli




msg:79645
 2:14 pm on Aug 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Vermont I had the same experience as you. Four months ago I registered a new domain name then I put some brand new contents (less than 10 pages), then I submitted the URL to google. 3 days later the targeted key words were ranked top 5. At that time the PR was just gray then zero now PR is 1. The target key words are very hot in the field.

Based on this experience now I even think the PR is not very important.

And I find a lot of PR0,1,2 websites rank top 10 while some PR5,6,7 websites are followed.

I know PR is important but not always.

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